Diamonds in the rough [was Test Bed]
[NB -- this was originally an unpublished draft, but was viewable by the Administrator, who rightfully thought it was a normal entry in the blog. I publish it now since it contains some interesting and challenging feedback on my opinions. The draft was taken from the Rigging thread.]
On 8/6/2016 at 1:28 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:Maybe your overkill is due to the fact that you sense the persuasion power behind a gazillion women like that coming forward
Overkill. Gotcha. Gazillions!
Maybe, as you say. Maybe not.
I hope that reports and suspicions of irregularities and vulnerabilities are taken seriously by any American concerned about the integrity of the election system. I hope folks use their noggins to separate out the schmutz from the real beef. I hope they investigate and report.
On 8/6/2016 at 1:28 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:Is your thirst for gotcha so great you have to do a fake gotcha?
Fake Gotcha William. Oh, we know him well, don't we? He is so fecking thirsty for that gotcha, innit?
But anyway, what you refer to as overkill is due to the preceding fact, right? Overkill for me meaning spelling out the specifics I am concerned about, and the difficult work involved in separating fear, fact and fiction on the subject of this thread's topic. Now, the overkill-maybe-fact. The fact maybe that I sense gazillions of Milkshake Ladies coming forward.
How are you approaching discussion here, Michael? Are we not more-or-less trusted by the other, in the same rational-thinking, reasoning League? Sometimes, when you seize a statement and subject it to the label-gun, I think of the larger content passed by. My sunny heart tells me that you may be archly dismissive of the truncquoat, but we are otherwise shoulder to shoulder in our pursuit of Reality, and that you generally agree with the broad strokes and summary of my argument. That at any rate, is one impression I take away, or a hope, one might say.
QuoteI can't explain it otherwise since you are not prone to misunderstanding something so elementary.
You can indeed explain it otherwise. Please read my commentary again, with a touch more Charity perhaps. Try to see through that beyond the black labels of Gotcha Thirst and Overkill. We are on the same cognitive team over-all, even if we differ in our assessments of GOP candidate vulnerabilities. I expect you be stumping one hundred percent of the time, while in that role on the hustings. But not always. Sometimes you will disagree with Trump campaign actions and statements and focus. Even if we don't hear about it.
Anyhow, perhaps we can re-orient the discussion to our shared concern: the reality, the danger, the perceived-reality of serious problems in the integrity of the election November 8th. I had my fun with anecdotal Angry Milkshake Ladies. We have set the stage for further discussion.
So, setting aside that which presumably unites us in reason, and overlooking the Label-Gun, I will go back to the "Riggy" Business: what are your main fears, if any? Where is the most damage likely to occur? How can this looming possibility of vote-rigging be averted? What should be the focus of attempts to prevent attacks on the integrity of your elections?
In the Hoopla of the big media and all the subsidiary media, there are some good hard-nosed discussions going on about the probabilities of 'rigging.' There is a to-and-fro, point-counterpoint to such discussions. They cannot be decided in the sense of a capitulation; there are differences of informed opinion.
One current of discussion gets stuck on asking what Mr Trump is doing on the practical level, and what he is doing on the rhetorical level. So far, I see nothing from the campaign itself trying to sell the Riggy Blob. It's just vague alarm and ghost-storiy agit-prop so far. I expect this to get more pointed and less rhetorical over time.
If you take off your Trump Red Hat for a bit, Michael, and see where you share common ground. I have no intentions of going to The Lake to join Steve, Robert, Stephen, Roger, Peter and Jerry and the other vacationers, but I do understand a tired reluctance to get into it with you that might have played a part in the departures. If it ever were down to only one Dissenter on Trump subjects, would label-gunning arguments be useful?
Forgive all that. Disagreements are where diamonds are made. Here's my main question informed by the Riggyness: will Mr Trump denounce the November results if they do not favour him?
What makes this a vexing question is that if you accept that the election is likely to be stolen -- then there is no real point to voting. It is this kind of exhaustion of hope that I find is the biggest danger of all.
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