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I just asked if you thought he would wear the "garment" in the debates. I made no judgment on it and I certainly never called anyone a "kook." I hope you don't think of religious people as "kooks." I think most religions are kooky. Magic underwear is kooky. Eating the Flesh and Blood of Jayzuz made Incarnate is kooky. Yep. The sad thing about Rick Santorum (besides the horrible abuse he has received because of his "man on dog" comments) is that he has no clue how to appeal to people that do not want a wet smutty nose like his in their crotches. That is why he could not get to the Senate. He was too stupid to step back and rebrand his religion as Mainstream Pabulum (like Reagan, Clinton, Obama and Romney) and not as kooky Catholic smutfinder. The same thing old Christine McDonnell did not figure out. If you do not want to come off as a religious nutcase, do not speak like a religious nutcase. Do that at church. On the campaign trail shut the fuck up about Gawd and Jayzus, at least keep it to the bare minimum. Santorum has a hard-on for gays, moreover, very 1953. America has changed. It surely does not want a fuckhead like Santorum to bring back Don't Ask, Don't Tell or any other lawful hypocrisies. He has a smut-finder mentality -- he cares about what other people do with their genitals. He might be a fine leader in a church, especially since Jayzuz Rools are so freaking important to him. Otherwise he has no broad appeal to America. In Canada, he would definitely be on the kook fringe. Our Prime Minister Stephen Harper has probably exactly similar views, religiously, to Santorum's (and Green Party leader Elizabeth May is a religious lady herself, bless her soul). But Harper wisely keeps his mouth completely shut on religious morality and as PM does not whisper a word about changing things like gay marriage or gay abortion adoption or gay gay this or that. It is over. He is smart enough to know that shit is over. Santorum is, on the other hand, stupid. If you need to understand how stupid he is as a man and as a politician, watch his spectacular fumble on "catholic" questions in New Hampshire. He knows how to appear vastly too interested in things that are not his business. He has not a fucking clue that Liberty in personal, private matters can be a good goal. And on the other brief of a US president (besides everyone's genitals and churchiness), oh, the World? Santorum is about as wise to the World as a possum. He has been briefed and briefed and briefed and briefed, but he still can only find Iran on the map. Beyond that he treads water, spits slogans, or plays dead. He would be ground into paste if he tried to debate the World with Obama. In any case, quick -- name one thing Santorum has ever done (one point if you thought "He wrote a book! Like Obama!"). Now name another. You run out of things and they are not on a list anywhere. I figure he is young enough to have nine more children, homeschool them along with his other spawn, and go all crazy Catholic homeschooling commando on his family and his church. Otherwise .. would you trust the guy to be a Mayor, or even Trailer Park Supervisor? Which brings the other candidate and the other kooky religion. Luckily, there is a tradition of murky MOR religiosity for Mormons in national office, otherwise Harry Reid would long have been pilloried as a kooky religious nut. But Reid and the other mormos in House and Senate over the years have not been whacked out like Santorum. Other Catholics have got to the Senate, but not by running on Catholic Torture Principles, like Santorum. And no Mormon in congress has done Mormon torture-things to America, nor threatened to. Obviously the man with the chin did not do Horrible Mormon Things to people in Boston, not in the way Santorum wants to monitor and correct and do Catholic things about reproduction and sex and gaeity and marriage and so on ... but the fact is lots of Mormons have held high public office before and have all acted well within the secular margins of America. If the man with the chin can convince enough voters that he is Tough and Macho and New ... good luck to him. Any attacks on the kookiness of his religion fall back on the atheist's lament: which ones are not kooky, please? So, you can definitely compare Santorum and Romney presenting their faith. Run both by the Kook Religion detector and only Santorum goes Ping. What a bunch of losers in the GOP this time out, otherwise. Why didn't they wait until Newt was fatter and richer and older and more sleazy and forgetful and nasty? It makes me think of that Peggy Lee song ...

Thanks, Michael. I wonder if L Ron's insiders/escapees had anything to say about the Tone Scale in the exposés and biographies. It has been a while since I read them. I will go look that up too. I do look forward to more Objectivish folks getting a grip on the fun and challenge of Emotion in their philosophy. Objectivism per se doesn't really make that much of an inquiry into emotion, beyond Rand's declarations. Post #68 is still a nice short jolt of the basics to orient you. I am NOT an expert in Plutchik's psychoevolutionary theory nor quite an adherent or fan, so it will be very interesting to see you chew on its good insights and its 'false friends.' Let me check. Hmmm. Like you, I avoid certain exams and polls (as I think you have never voted or showed your vote in formal bake-offs here), but I should let you know that I finally did one of those cheap Myers-Briggs things, and later I can harry Objective-ish people about that. For now, after my training, I will hoe close to the row, and if my obsessions and Lesson Plans are not interesting to others, at least they will be kept here in this thread (and on my OL blog). OK. One point one on the old tone scale, under the B for Bogus, 1.1. That would be El Ron's Covert Hostility: But of course, if Covert Hostility is 1.1, then howzabout Unexpressed Resentment at 1.15? And if those two are very very close, howzabout slightly below Cover Hostility on the crazy scale? That would be Anxiety at 1.02.

There is one fun benefit from the kookiness of L Ron's tone scale. Free smilies/emoticons! I am going to introduce a new line in my posts, all from the kooky tone scale. Here are a couple. First is Sympathy(0.9), then Propitiation (0.8), then the big one, POSTULATES (30.0). I feel so good today, I bet I am very high on Postulates.

I agree -- if one is trying to grasp its messages. Here is the Scientology Tone Scale cleaned up of the furries, with the tone scores of the only two words that overlap with Ekman and Plutchik, Fear and Anger. I do not pretend to understand the Tone Scale in any way yet, so would be gratified to see your analysis. I still don't know what he was attempting to measure or to teach. If the tone scale suggests that Raw Meat (recruits) start somewhere near the bottom of the scale (as all results from Personality Tests render results that need Scientology badly), the the raw meat are being assessed, or being asked to self-assess. As a self-assessment tool it is entirely opaque. And, of course, Michael, as you pointed out when you introduced Ekman's name, we need to know what the tools are designed to do. The Scientologists are the last to tell you the germination of any tool in their toolshed, so I will have to dig into the background of this and its history. As you know, L Ron's official histories are a bit Kim Jong Il. I am not buying the overall idea of the tone scale, yet, since I do not get it, yet. If you mean most people will not initially buy into a Tone Scale because its window (it Overton Window) of acceptability is so small, I agree. One cannot ignore what marks the top and the bottom, and what is in the middle does not make sense. I mean -- and this is but one example, why would Monotony be one tenth of a point further up the scale than Antagonism? What is the thing being measured between those two very close items on the scale? The thing that is far far higher on the scale, some ten times more whatever than Antagonism or Monotony is Postulates. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Postulates.

<table style="height: 1488px; width: 716px;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <caption><strong><big><big>The 48 Emotions of Plutchik</big></big><br> <br> </strong></caption><tbody> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <th style="width: 131px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Emotion</span></th> <th style="width: 46px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">LVL</span></th> <th style="width: 151px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Composition</span></th> <th style="width: 91px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Opposite</span></th> <th style="width: 107px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Intense Form</span></th> <th style="width: 111px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Mild Form</span></th> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ff0000"> <td style="width: 131px;">Anger</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Fear</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Rage</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Annoyance</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ff9900"> <td style="width: 131px;">Anticipation</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Surprise</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Vigilance</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Interest</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#6633cc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Disgust</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Trust</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Loathing</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Boredom</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#006600"> <td style="width: 131px;">Fear</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Anger</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Terror</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Apprehension</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffff00"> <td style="width: 131px;">Joy</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Sadness</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Ecstasy</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Serenity</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#0066ff"> <td style="width: 131px;">Sadness</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Joy</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Grief</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Pensiveness</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#00ffff"> <td style="width: 131px;">Surprise</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Anticipation</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Amazement</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Distraction</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#66ff00"> <td style="width: 131px;">Trust</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Basic</td> <td style="width: 151px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Disgust</td> <td style="width: 107px;">Admiration</td> <td style="width: 111px;">Acceptance</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Aggressiveness</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anger + Anticipation</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Alarm¹</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Optimism</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anticipation + Joy</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Disappointment</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Contempt</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Disgust + Anger</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Submission</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Alarm¹</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Fear + Surprise</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Aggressiveness</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Love</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Joy + Trust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Remorse</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><img style="width: 91px; height: 49px;" alt="Unexpressed Resentment" src="http://i.imm.io/ebik.jpeg"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Remorse</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Sadness + Disgust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Love</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Disappointment</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Surprise + Sadness</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Optimism</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-weight: bold; width: 131px;"><big>Submission** <br> </big></td> <td style="width: 46px;">Primary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Trust + Fear</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Contempt</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Pride</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anger + Joy</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Despair</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Hope²</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anticipation + Trust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Unbelief³</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Cynicism</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Disgust + Anticipation</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Curiosity</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Despair</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Fear + Sadness</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Pride</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Guilt</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Joy + Fear</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Envy</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="font-weight: bold; width: 131px;"><big>Envy**</big></td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Sadness + Anger</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Guilt</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Unbelief³</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Surprise + Disgust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Hope²</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Curiosity</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Secondary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Trust + Surprise</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Cynicism</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Dominance</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anger + Trust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Shame</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><img style="width: 95px; height: 55px;" alt="Covert Hostily?" src="http://i.imm.io/ebi9.jpeg"></td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Anxiety</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Anticipation + Fear</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Outrage</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Morbidness</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Disgust + Joy</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253); color: rgb(135, 4, 20); font-weight: bold; width: 91px;"><big>Sentimentality</big></td> <td style="width: 107px; color: rgb(135, 4, 20);"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Shame</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Fear + Disgust</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Dominance</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Outrage</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Surprise + Anger</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Anxiety</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Sentimentality</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Trust + Sadness</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Morbidness</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><img style="width: 82px; height: 47px;" alt="Some Emotion" src="http://i.imm.io/ebi3.jpeg"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Delight</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Joy + Surprise</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Pessimism</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 131px;">Pessimism</td> <td style="width: 46px;">Tertiary Blend</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Sadness + Anticipation</td> <td style="width: 91px;">Delight</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td style="width: 131px;">Rest⁴</td> <td style="width: 46px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 151px;">Emotional Zero</td> <td style="width: 91px;">N/A</td> <td style="width: 107px;"><br> </td> <td style="width: 111px;"><br> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>NOTES</p> <p>The author of the blog posts gives notes and a Lesson Plan. I will post that next if I do not bleed to death from pulling my hair out on this post and the last. I am not an HTML expert, it seems.</p> <div style="width:540px;border: thin red groove;padding:11px;font-family:serif;margin:5px;"> <p><em>¹ – Plutchik gave “Awe” as the emotion for “Fear + Surprise”. I believe “Alarm” is a better choice since “Awe” has lost the connotation of fear over the years.<br />² – Plutchik used “Fatalism” for “Anticipation + Trust” but it has such negative connotations I have included the more objective term “Hope” instead.<br />³ – Plutchik did not include an emotion for “Surprise + Disgust” by any list I could find. Therefore, I have included “Unbelief” to fill this space.<br />⁴ – Plutchik did not include the state described as “Emotional Zero” in his list. However, I believe it is useful andhavetherefore included “Rest” to represent it.</em></p> </div> <!-- -->

Michael, I cannot quite figure out any of the numbered, ranked tone scales, let alone L Ron's -- I don't grasp the criteria, nor what the tones are said to be: what is this scale, or any scale like it, actually measuring?). But I do love the furry little creatures in the lists above. Good marketing tool ... who cares if any of it corresponds to anything. More on the Scientology torture learning approach later. But, since you were the first to mention Paul Ekman, and most likely have read the <A HREF="http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11566&view=findpost&p=151620">statements in #68 above from Plutchik</A> (someone told me Phil spelked it "Plotchik" several times), here's a bit more explanation of Plutchik in the next post. In the next table, the notion that primaries blend is explored further. I have taken this quote entirely from a lesson at a little writing blog called <A HREF="http://dragonscanbebeaten.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/plutchiks-eight-primary-emotions-and-how-to-use-them-part-2-of-2/">Dragons Can Be Beaten</A>. As a further explanation of Plutchik, it is good. It might be mostly or wholly wrong, but it is a good systematic elaboration on what was posted in #68.

Well, if I weren't still angry, frustrated, vengeful, vicious and in a teaching mood, I would try to figure this out. Um, first, I understand that Irony rules here, but as you point out, why does Lizard beat Spock? Lizard eats Spock, I guess, but then how does Spock defeat Rock, while Scissors tops Lizard who tops Spock? It is like the three stooges and I am not laughing. So Rock takes down Spock, presumably at the hands of an angry ex-wife, and presumably when he did not see it coming, but then why does Rock take down Lizard? Lizard is HUGE. Argh, this is like Wheel of Torture, this heuristic -- I see no egress, Oh that Daemon. Sometimes Irony does not have the calories I crave, maybe. Maybe that is why I am angry and frustrated and yet still crave to teach.

Heh. The law is the law, blind and neutral, it is in the Application we have fun. I enjoy the visual witticisms. To return to my point, and to thrill the Phil (Hi Phil! I can't see you anymore), here is an image inspired by Michael's excursion in to tone scales. Seems okay, UNTIL you look at the next one, which made me instinctively look for the exits and the safety plan. Just for you, Adam,

Since I became a hall monitor and torture training intern in a another thread, everything has become both a test and torture/teaching device to me in my fresh new Sense Of Life. Do you know how long it took me to breach the protective outer protein coat on this humour? (a whole frustrating hour) I did not even know where I was on my own cognitive map until I looked up Deadpan, and that didn't help much. I thought of asking Carol, but she would probably explain it all succinctly and thoroughly, while letting me down easy, slowing down my heartbeat, easing my sweats, lessening the clenching and the shouting, the frustration, the gawdawful frustration that the Courts have told me I take out in cruelties upon others. I didn't want peace. Like Phil, I understand that things are said in white hot rage and frustration, right there at the edge of the falls, the barrel teetering, my whole useless fraud of a life about to be smashed to pieces, and if I don't get the joke, then I know it is My Fault. I know it like you would know an axe to the back of your head. I don't want peace when a mood of mayhem is among us. I like to play hard, like Dr Hardin, tough like Robert Campbell, and even mean and small like Phil, crushing a child in a test of knowledge to prop up my shack of self-esteem, my pitiful Bubbles garden shed home, my own teaching Mission, my need to Instruct and Correct and rap tiny knuckles. That damned daemon Jonathan lured me using my own habits, tastes, inclinations, my own Lesson Plan. My weakness, I see too late. Again, as with the ninth doctor, I can move my legs. I can squeak, I can ask for water, but I am fixed forevermore on my back by a giant pin. I cannot just scurry away and hope for the best. I have to plead for humanity, use expressions of remorse, convince the jury, appeal to the King. It is over, my freedom, for now. Argh. My fault. A trap. A trap set by that Daemon Jonathan. He has been stalking my classrooms and torture session training seminars. I do not know what side he is on. He tops out most exams, He never cheats. He looks like a fox. He could be Good. He could be Evul. I don't know. My usual tools have failed, even cheating. I used TinEye reverse image lookup and I got 64 hits, but most of them were from Cafe Press choices of T-shirts in sizes up to 4XL or from Geek Girl blogs or science or worse (I looked again and vaguely perceived a five point star which made me think of not only heathen, sciency-ish, geekish, Rebecca Watson kind of drone female atheist marauders -- which I love -- but of the kook edge, the Sun Goddess feminist geek sciencey circe-in-the-meadow-shout-and-menstruate crew whom I met in Prince George and who damaged me). So, there I was on the kook edge, looked at Wicca Star five point feminist sciency stupid Female Wisdom blogbeeyotch symbol a little closer and then, I admit it, cheated a bit by looking at the design with my eyes still and my judgement fork suspended. And then by quickly avoiding the sad fact that I don't know a fucking letter of ASL, let alone CSL or any other, I avoided understanding that these were symbols clearly understood by any five-year-old North American. And then I sort of got it, but only partially. I STILL DON'T GET THE WHOLE JOKE. There, I spit it out. I get the Rock. I get the Scissors. I get the Paper. I get that I got all the rest wrong, and am feeling angry, frustrated, vengeful, vicious and in a real teaching mood all around. Like Phil, I ask for Help. Unlike Phil I plead openly, at great risk of public shaming, and I directly address my tormentor in the public square, vexed, humiliated, snarling, trusting, naked and sniveling. I recognize a master. These little traps. These little snared limbs. The gnawing. The starving. The FAILURE of getting it wrong or worse, not getting it at all. If this is a torture learning device, it comes from Olympia and not from its gated suburbs in Florida.

There might be a real person at the end of his website URL ... in which case you would think he would get his stand and his lemons and his ice cubes ready before he put on his mask of Cortez and snarked at the uncaring passersby. I admit I admire the spunk that can set up a sales centre/tent, forget the sign, forget to say hello, forget to bring water, brochures, marketing plan ... get a ticket, get a hearing, and finally be allowed to continue setting up his stand. He will no-doubt self-administer the Ted Keer Troll test, fail to connect his loudspeaker to OL, and retreat to the madness of seclusion.

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/img/toneb.jpg

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/img/tonea.jpg

Nine pages, 2.2k views, 165 replies. I can't even remember if I have been on this lake before, what fish are biting, what the Lead Topic is ranting about. My gawd, I would ask for a summary, but I think I have to do some homework first. Rough notes taken from the thread, a first copy, quotes from the thread. Fuck giving a reference for the quote. Either you recognize your own voice and your sentence or you don't; in any case it is the Statements that interest: Source: Smallness of Mind _____________________ **Phil is on ignore, and most folks ignored his taunting and gave the topic of Small Minds a bit of go. These are simply statements I copied from that thread, most often statements that are simple and declarative, with known subjects and objects. These statements mostly are self-contained, stand-alone, and thus open discussion, which I guess is why they attracted my eye. There are also questions that caught my eye. Some questions are large and some are small, but these are the ones that survived the first cull.

Nine pages, 2.2k views, 165 replies. I can't even remember if I have been on this lake before, what fish are biting, what the Lead Topic is ranting about. My gawd, I would ask for a summary, but I think I have to do some homework first.

I waited. I knew you would eventually tell the class. You are one of the pets here at Education by Torture. I waited too because I hoped you would tell about the other film that year or the next (I must have read about Yellow in my Dad's Playboys, along with oh my Ayn Rand, though I remember her first on Johnny Carson), I am Curious (Blue). Both were in the newspapers, as I recall. Canada moved smoothly into the modern age of morals after Ayn Rand, I recall, and generally before America. If she Ayn said no to initial invasion of Vietnam, well then, Canada kept out of all that slaughter, moved the state out of the bedroom and the church out of the state, starting with disestablishment in Quebec in 1960 and ending with a yawn in our first year of coast-to-coast gay marriage. All I remember further is being precocious enough to know about Yellow and Blue at twelve. That danged comprachico school, those fiendish educationalists (I thought Dewey was Good! I fell under the thrall, and frankly loved, the Dewey Decimal system, by twelve), somehow not all of it took on me.

Four correct and four wrong. We can go back and change our answers as many times as we want. The table in the third illustration contains four correct answers -- Fear, Disgust, Sadness and Anger -- and your four correct answers overlap, don't they? Fear, Disgust, Sadness, Anticipation, Joy, Surprise. Brant, I think you could move into the lead. If basic is a wrong word, maybe primary? To remember is that the first image had eight pie shapes, and the second had six faces. So, the first were eight blanks waiting for labels, and the second were six faces showing distinct expressions. We most of us apparently see in these faces the expression of emotion. Inside ourselves, of course, we can feel these things. We feel something in our bodies when we rage, when we exult (someone has turned on the Hot Anger and Sheer Joy knobs high), when we grieve, when we are repulsed and sickened. The six or eight more common of these mutually-recognizable feeling-states are what I think of as primary/basic. Michael names Paul Ekman. The pics in the second image are the six stereotyped facial expressions Ekman showed to folks around the world in his research (which folks he asked to pose in turn). What he found was that these six stereotypes were recognized and intelligible and sorted out across the earth -- in most cases local languages distinguished between these six expressions and in a few cases these were considered primary in the local emotion-or-something-like-it naming scheme (but see the exceptions in a ragged article with okay-ish lists). This is where the story of emotion can get exciting for some of us. If there are six globally recognized facial expressions that strongly correspond to six feeling states that form part of things we call emotions/feelings, well, does that tell us anything that we need to know before we bloviate? Reactive, responsive, yes, I think so, at least so far. Fear is like that, Anger is like that, Disgust is like that, Sadness is like that. Maybe the other 'basics' are like that, reactive in some way too. What about all six Ekman faces ? Is Joy reactive? Is Sadness reactive? Sure, I guess, and both 'felt' in some way, I further guess. An interesting distinction, reactive, feeling. Emotions jolt the body, though not all. I think some of the lesser painful emotions can each grow strong and even monstrous. Think of things that propel murder, like sexual jealousy, a sense of anticipated painful loss, separated loins, thieves ravishing a captive.. The envy one feels for things that one does not have can have knock-on reagent effects, certainly, can provoke, can be felt. Envy may not be a primary emotion, it may not show in every face, and it may not be felt as such in a great many cultures, but its mixture of emotion can be just as volatile as that stirred into jealousy. We see this in the cold calculation of benefit of toddlers, the monkey-like sharp appreciation of unfairness, of Mine, and Not Yours and Me, and What I Get and Its My Doll, and Get Yer Mitts Off My Man. If in doubt on this point, consult Daunce and me on "Snake Eyes: Anne Of Green Gables VS Pollyanna." So, regarding redundancy, nope. Not if we are thinking about Primary, Pure, Basic, Distinguishable mental and physical entities as we do with the simplest colour palettes. If this is not after all a poor way to sort emotion into strong and singular states (as with colour), then maybe primary or basic emotion is also not redundant after all? Which brings me to another Illustration, Brant. I am going to rip this one right out of the big book called Wikipedia. This gives the whole background information that I consider 'basic' to an understanding of emotional category schemes (advanced students only may wish to consult the extremely boring and patchy wiki at Contrasting and categorization of emotions to get oriented in the field). Before I enter the classroom or torture learning centre, I must tuck my curls under the mexican wrestling mask of The Schoolmarm, and I put my real personality down backstage. This is serious business, the examination and torture learning business a la Coates. I take advantage of his deep knowledge of and pioneering techniques in online torture learning, the endlessness and horror of its recurrent Lesson Plans, its mad divagations, pain loops and drills. Here's the summary I could have quoted at any time earlier, but the mask is sweaty, and irritating, the Lesson Plan is confusing, and I fear I may not be able to Control the Classroom any longer. We have no union, so I don't know who to call. "I might have quoted this before, if you c**ts had not attacked me with Nuclear weapons." For Geeks Only? So, yes, now the wheel might make sense, here is another representation. Please remember, this colour wheel and colour mixing and intensity scale and blending plausibility ratios in your mind are only Heuristics. When the Coates Code says Correct here on page 1183, I must still apply a heuristic to take the final judgement step of selecting punishments for the heretics and Degenerates. So, the law being, if Phil Is Right, You Are Wrong, how is it to be applied? That is when we get out our reckoning tools, Brant. If primaries can be mixed and result in blended primaries, do the resultant 'hybrids' make sense or correspond in a systematic way by using the heuristic of primaries? 3D can help. Oh ho, this is brave talk for someone who has yet to use better labels and schemes to organize for analysis these things we both call emotions, no? These true and hard and basic things need to come out from the shadows and declare themselves. I mean, yes, you are right in most of these details. You, or an actor can generate things called emotions (OR expressions and feeling states and feelings). The expression can convince those on the Outside of him (Hat tip to Bob) that the expression they are looking at is actually experienced in the actor's body. In that sense we are all actors. The Method (which has like all cult-ish things a wet, stained, and curling edge of kooks) is pure rational psychology applied to the profession. Revolutionary yes, in opposition to Classical Training. The Method was a means to get the actor to feel emotions to then learn how to control their expression. In most ways, every actor, even Classically Trained in every culture incorporates The Method in his. If one is to portray a grieving mother handing her last half-lifeless child to the last chopper out, and if the camera zeroes in on the actor as the credits roll, that actor had either better have learned to fake great emotion or to have worked herself into a state of great feeling for the camera. Think of those experiments which compared physiology of actors and non-actors as they were either a) provoked into, b) pretended to evince emotion states. Most of the great Method actors we have heard about went into the ditch early, anyway, I thought I should point out. Great actors can convince us. Something fucked Marlon Brando up in Apocalypse Now. James Dean was not a happy camper. Marilyn. Yikes, some of them certainly convinced me they felt emotion. But some of this is but mimicry and display. Actors can make most of us accept the reality of what they display to us. You are right and right and right so far, Brant, but you need also to be right and right and right and mostly right still. Oh, I will say it: What if envy is a blend of feelings? If it is not markedly distinct on the face or easily distinguished from jealousy or other discomfort (except by an Ekman, perhaps), then although it might certainly be guessed or predicted, and most certainly implied, and felt as if a fit, but survey-sez it just does not show a unique face to the world. And that is why it does not have a title in The Cabinet of emotions. They all certainly consult and email and lunch and follow each other's Twitter feeds, and routinely form power alliances, duos and triumvirates. When Anger acts in concert with Fear to signal a State Of Emergency, it in turn triggers Anticipation to join the emergency session. A big storm could involve four departments at once managing events. Anger turned to Rage by Fear can induce Anticipation to increase to Vigilance and even more. These are the struggles of the various ad hoc Jealousy Committees, usually. Brant, good rambles. You are ever the sleeper agent, aren't you. For the Good.

We now have one person who has correctly identified the 'basic' emotions. This doesn't mean the exam is over, not by any means. It could be joyous to see latecomers fall down the same set of stairs all of us already lost our footing on. Maybe that is what Schadenfreude 'feels' like, if it feels like anything different from watching your neighbour get crushed under the garbage truck or crash his way down a long flight of stairs. I don't think it's safe to ask Bob, because he voted for Hate and Shame alongside Love. Just because he and I both volunteer for seniors -- that doesn't mean anything. <p>.</p> <p>.</p> <p></p> <table style="border: 1px solid black; border-collapse: collapse; height: 425px; width: 429px;"> <caption class="MYTABLE"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Plutchik's 8 Primary Emotions</span><br> <br> </caption> <thead><tr class="MYTABLE"> <th style="width: 124px;" class="MYTABLE"><br> </th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 48px;" class="MYTABLE">Jon.</th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold;width: 33px;" class="MYTABLE">PC</th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 35px;" class="MYTABLE">AS</th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 64px;" class="MYTABLE">BC</th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 36px;" class="MYTABLE">BG</th> <th style=" text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 35px;" class="MYTABLE">DL</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="MYTABLE"> <td style="width: 124px; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);" class="MYTABLE">ANTICIPATION</td> <td class="MYTABLE" style="width: 48px; text-align: center;"><big>1</big></td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 33px;" class="MYTABLE">1</td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 35px;" class="MYTABLE"> </td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 64px;" class="MYTABLE"> </td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 36px;" class="MYTABLE">1</td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 35px;" class="MYTABLE"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">SADNESS<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1</big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;">1</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;">1</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;">1</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">JOY<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">HOPE<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px; background-color: red;"> <br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LOVE<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">EXPECTATION<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">SURPRISE<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">HAPPINESS<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">ANGER<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">HATE<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">SHAME<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px; background-color: red;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">FEAR<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">RAGE<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big><br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">DISGUST<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;">1<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; background-color: rgb(212, 248, 221);">TRUST/ACCEPTANCE <br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px;"><big>1<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 33px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 64px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 36px;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 35px;">1<br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; width: 48px; font-weight: bold;"><big>8<br> </big></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 33px;">6<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 35px;">5<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 64px;">5<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 36px;">4<br> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; width: 35px;">4<br> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <br>

I will wrap it up for tonight, but here are the final scores from the board (the Poll) Ba'al was the only person to give eight answers. He got five right, three wrong. Adam gave nine answers. He got five right, four wrong. Phil gave six answers. He got five right and one wrong. Carol gave five answers, four correct, 1 wrong. Jonathan appears on the board, but is disqualified for writing in grey. I cannot read pencil. NB, do not get hung up on any term -- especially 'basic.' The rule-of-thumb is only meant to distinguish mixed emotion or more complex emotions from their constituents. The uses of the colour wheel might be good way to approach it. Colour, hue, tone, intensity, saturation, etcetera. If from Blue, Red and Yellow we can paint any colour, any tone, any shade, then what are the basic 'colours' of the emotions? As Carol has noted in angry letters to the Magistrate, this is entirely arbitrary. No emotion can be tied to a particular colour or shade with any rigour. Note, however, that if one mixed Colour A and Colour B, say yellow and red, one gets a blend -- in this case Orange. If lemon was anger and Angry Bird Yellow was Rage, and if dark cerulean was sadness, then what colour value is Frustration? Are there basic or simple or pure or primary emotions that when mixed or blended form a recognizable emotion too? Perhaps. Perhaps one of Ba'al,s favourite emotional expressions, Shadenfreude, can be found on a palette once mixed from primaries. I hope not.

I will recalculate if you have added your answers to the poll. Otherwise, all I can tell you is that you have three answers wrong.

SCORES Ba'al attempted to answer the correct number of answers (8/8) Answered 5 correctly, 3 incorrectly Phil attempted to answer the incorrect number of answers (6/8) Answered 5 correctly, 1 incorrectly Carol attempted to answer the incorrect number of answers (5/8) Answered 4 correctly, 1 incorrectly Jonathan attempted to answer the incorrect number of answers (0/8) Answered 0 correctly, 0 incorrectly Adam attempted to answer the incorrect number of answers (9/8) Answered 5 correctly, 4 incorrectly.

HINT: the blanks in the illustration can help you discover your wrong answers. If ANGER is correct (as a basic emotion as judged by Plutchik) then RAGE is wrong. Since I have put Phil on ignore and do not know if he has answered the poll questions correctly or followed directions or if he is talking to me, please let me know when he decides to play the game. Thanks.

OK. That is four guaranteed Correct answers. Fear, Sadness, Joy and Anger. Yet at least four of our contestants have not changed their incorrect answers in the Poll.

I (and I guess Carol) just go the the main post page at the top where the poll results show and click 'Delete My Vote' and do it again.