caroljane
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Sure. There were no hostages in this case as you know, and I know that you agree there was no compelling reason to shoot at all. The shoot to kill rule for police has a powerful incentive. The dead cannot testify in court or bring suit against their assailants.
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Egypt Speaks II - You Obama, Father, Mother
caroljane replied to Michael Stuart Kelly's topic in Mideast
Didn't watch it, but O's mother did sort of wear combat boots in a way. \I wear them myself in the winter on Ladies Drink Free Nite at the Hag &Sporran. Tired of this outworn prejudice against sensible female footwear. -
More than a bit. I am hoping it is just a bit of gothic hyperbole. Revenge fantasies are a staple of literature, and maybe of other arts, I wouldn't know. They are nearly universal among adolescents. \one of my discomforts reading AS was the tunnel scene. I could not help feeling the described passengers were not just concretized abstracts, but representing real people Rand knew, and that she enjoyed killing them off fictionally. , "Glory, glory halleluia,. Teacher hit me with a ruler I bopped her on the beanie with a rotten tangerine And she never taught school no more. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school, We have tortured every teacher , we have broken every rule. As we march down the hall to shoot the principal\ Our class goes marching on." -Trad.
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That being said, the lasting joys of my life were built on the bones of early failures and heartbreaks. Brant and Deanna are both profoundly correct.
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Also hate "Everything happens for a reason." Duh, ultimate cause, proximate cause, solipsism anyone?
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I too have always despised this bromide. What does not kill you can still cripple you forever.
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Brant, you wimp! That could have been Dominique's granddaughter!
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Nothing you are saying here is necessarily true. You seem to be arguing out of a philosophy unleavened by experience; I can't tell. --Brant Nor is it necessarily untrue.
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The cost of labour is, of course, the largest cost borne by employers. It is also the cost that is easiest for them to cut, as it is the only factor in the economic equation of their business which is in their control. But it is not the only factor in a business failure, and it is often a lose-lose solution when used to help a failing business survive.
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Interestingly to your point about a more-jobs-than workers economy, the greatest labour shortage in English history occurred after the Great Famine and the Black Death, and the government passed laws forbidding wage rises - so that what workers there were would stay put and not be lured away by other employers offering more pennies . It didn't work of course, wages kept rising. The Crowned Head was no match for The Invisible Hand.
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I am most certainly NOT assuming it is "better" to be an employer. I would hate to be an employer and would be terrible at it. I am just pointing out that it is the employer who holds the actual power. Using that power to best advance the company, dealing with difficult employees, finding staff during a labour shortage, etc. --these are indeed constant woes for managers, and these problems have spawned a thriving industry in Effective |Management courses and books.
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You are right, he didn't. The shoot to kill rule should stay with the army and the police should be trained to take prisoners alive. That is their job. For God's sake, 90% of the people cops deal with are agitated, irrational , drunk, high, mentally ill, having a sudden breakdown or a combination of these. The job of the police is to deal with them without incurring harm to the public or themselves, and they usually manage to do that without killing them.
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I assume you are referring to the right to strike, the threat of quitting, or work stoppage en masse. Yes, that is a legal power whose authority varies among different industries depending on the resources of the employer, (who has the equal right to lockout). Strikes are a last resort for employees and not available to the majority of workers, who are not unionized. An individual worker who threatens to quit, or does quit, may cause difficulties for the employer , but he still has his business and the worker now has no income. You call that power?
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It is the judgement call of "have to shoot" that is in question in this case.
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I perceive the threat of not getting paid as pretty powerful, and representative of real authority.
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Depressingly, the spin is unfolding just like I predicted. The shooter's lawyer, Brauti, gave an interview saying that an inquest process would be far more appropriate than criminal charges for his fine, dedicated family man client. Sure. Every inquest process recommends changes to training and response procedures. But a few, a very few of the criminal charges get a bad cop convicted. The interview revealed a horrifying detail. Toronto cops are trained to "shoot to kill" when their judgement tells them to shoot. Military style as Brant described. So Forcillo was just following procedure.This protocol has been protested literally hundreds of times, by the provincial ombudsman, by the SIU itself, as well as in recommendations from coroners of the inquests. No response ever heard from the police authorities. Furthermore the officer is of course, well respected by his peers.
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Dgl, Your notion of workplace power balance is at odds with mine, and the law's. It is the absolute right of management to manage, to exert the authority mentioned by RB above, to give orders. It is the duty of the worker to obey these orders, always, unless they physically endanger or clearly incriminate you. It is the absolute right of an employer to fire any worker at any time without cause. It is the right of the employee to be paid fairly and on time for his work and to work in a physically safe environment. Workplaces are about money. Of course no sane employer acts like a totalitarian idiot, exercising her rights in a counter-profitable way. But the employer who provides the capital and the livelihoods does have dictatorial powers, and workplaces cannot be democracies.This is clearly acknowledged in the law and in every collective agreement. Of course employer-employee is a voluntary contract, and ideally and often, both sides can flourish and we pile up value for the company. Our jobs are so personal to us that we cannot help but see them more in terms of individual relationships, and group dynamics, than as bloodless business arrangements -- even though most jobs are as RB noted, mundane. But the average organization chart is pretty mundane too and pretty top-down. Everybody has a boss, bosses have "reports", and everybody, usually, gets paid on time.
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I am not arguing anything. It was just a thought about the balance of power in a workplace. I was just sayin'. Sometimes I take a break from relentlessly advancing Agenda 21 and, you know, just say stuff. Especially here on OL.
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Whoa Michael! I agree with you all the way about managing talent. But I was commenting on being an employer, the person with the power and control in a workplace. Of course bosses should be collaborators, managers, mentors etc and frequently are. But their actual position in the workplace is that of dictator.
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But say you hired a fraction of it, say at hourly wages, and they spent a good portion displaying their talent on the internet instead of on their assigned tasks? Or is that assumption built into the average workplace nowadays?
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RB, I disagree. I believe talent is all around us, gobs of it, and it is consistently squashed by paint-by-the-number rules and little dictator-wannabees. Part of the reason I gravitated toward Rand when I was young was this belief. I am very pleased to see the Internet is proving me right. I see an explosion of talent when I go online, so much I can't consume even a tiny fraction of it. Michael
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maybe not , indeed. Call me irrational, but I would be more scared of a creepy lurker and stalker, who lures people away from home to disappear from sight, and a rapist/arsonist than of any old narcissists. Just listening to their speeches would break me.
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Unintentionally revealing Liberal spoof of libertarians
caroljane replied to Jerry Biggers's topic in Humor - OL LOLOLOLOL
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Dearest William, I more than like it. Your roadmap to the wackside reminds me of the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh (not that he is a conspiracy theorist, or actually believes half the stuff he says). I have mentioned this before here somewhere. A few years ago I was driving alone crosscountry from Toronto to NB. In the wilds of Quebec I was trying to find a radio station that got reception, and suddenly this voice started YELLING at me, directly at me, "ACORN, ACORN, ..." Jesus! I nearly ran off the road. I managed to get the volume down and listened spellbound. When the show ended (I am still not sure if it was Rush but am assuming) I still did not know what Acorn was, except something really evil that Obama had done, one of the worst things that had ever happened to America, worse than Pearl Harbor or the Kardashians even. I felt like I had come out of a tent revival meeting where Satan had got a world-class thrashing. My ears hurt. My "Voice in the Night" did not yell, and mellifluously weaved a story with the elements you describe above, with numbers that signified just what the Royal Family and Bildenbergers were doing to get us all taken to outer space, or something. It was just impossible to follow. Once I realized this is a syndicated radio show and not me having a psychotic break (if it's yourself you are the last to know) it put me to sleep. The Voice had the exact quality of the famed BBC radio guy who did not realize he was live on air and recited the whole of "Alexandria" , drunkenly and magnificently. I hope he gets a real acting gig, soon. The same station carries another similar show but it is a call-in. Mostly from people "West of the Rockies" and out of their minds, who describe earnestly the evidence they have found that the River Styx ends in Florida (they have found Persephone's bones) and the measures they have taken to survive the imminent destruction of Western Civilization ( lots of precious metals and water). The only Canadian caller I heard was "Waldo from Ontario" who claimed he had "fled to Canada" to "escape the Communists". Say again, Waldo?
