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Angela: Speaking of inappropriate metaphors ...Jesus and hitting the nail on the head! Adam, Maybe may subconscious mind played a role my choice of that specific metaphor. I'm an ex-Christian, after all. Watch it Angela - in the words of My |Self as quoted by My Disciple Billy Connolly, "I can see yer mother's house from here!" -Jesus

The proper and the ideal are so endlessly arguable- why is it that those with no philosophy, no aspirations to do and be everything, no unusually high intelligence, so routinely feel and express the highest of humanity, without the enabler of a philosophy?

I might have to petition for a topic name change. Two weeks and the Ford story has grown more legs than a Busby |Berkeley musical. Latest is, six of his senior staff have quit including his chief of staff, who was promptly replaced by Brother Doug's former partner in the hash-distribution business. Last seen in public handing out Rob Ford magnets at a high-profile funeral.

I'm a progressive and |I approve your message on this one, Lord Robert. Or is it |Prince?

Possibly from Peikoff. I'm in process of perusing OPAR on these issues, for the first time. I see some hints, but haven't gotten to reading details of relevant sections yet. Stay tuned. That leads to a question I've been wanting to get to about your meaning of "subjective." Do you mean whimsical? I think you don't, but I'm not sure. Something you might not quite realize, since, if I recall right, you haven't personally been around many Objectivists, is the emotional cachet of "subjectivism" in Objectivist usage. "Intrinsicism" is a mistake. But "subjectivism" is a sin. "Subjectivism" has the flavor of capricious, unprincipled. However, there are things which obviously vary from person to person and in regard to which even an Objectivist isn't going to say of the variants that some of them are irrational. A frequent for instance used is liking chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream better. These sorts of issues are considered optional personal issues. The way I used to hear it put was, "It's optional for me to like chocolate ice cream better than vanilla ice cream and for you to have the reverse preferences, but it's objective that I like chocolate ice cream better and you like vanilla ice cream better." Maybe this has led to a notion of "objective but personal." I suppose Rand didn't object to the idea that it's ok for one person to prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla and vice versa, if this issue even came up in discussions with her. Her favorite color was known, and I don't recall picking up any whiffs that it wasn't ok for others to have a different favorite color. Some choices clearly were considered acceptably optional. Career choices. Choices of romantic partner. For instance. I suspect that Diana with her "just really wrong" on beauty responses is doing her own thing. However, it seems to me, from the sparse explicit hints I've found, and from the way she speaks of a beautiful image in a painting, that Rand assumed at least strong commonality in beauty responses. Ellen Possibly from Peikoff. I'm in process of perusing OPAR on these issues, for the first time. I see some hints, but haven't gotten to reading details of relevant sections yet. Stay tuned. That leads to a question I've been wanting to get to about your meaning of "subjective." Do you mean whimsical? I think you don't, but I'm not sure. Something you might not quite realize, since, if I recall right, you haven't personally been around many Objectivists, is the emotional cachet of "subjectivism" in Objectivist usage. "Intrinsicism" is a mistake. But "subjectivism" is a sin. "Subjectivism" has the flavor of capricious, unprincipled. However, there are things which obviously vary from person to person and in regard to which even an Objectivist isn't going to say of the variants that some of them are irrational. A frequent for instance used is liking chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream better. These sorts of issues are considered optional personal issues. The way I used to hear it put was, "It's optional for me to like chocolate ice cream better than vanilla ice cream and for you to have the reverse preferences, but it's objective that I like chocolate ice cream better and you like vanilla ice cream better." Maybe this has led to a notion of "objective but personal." I suppose Rand didn't object to the idea that it's ok for one person to prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla and vice versa, if this issue even came up in discussions with her. Her favorite color was known, and I don't recall picking up any whiffs that it wasn't ok for others to have a different favorite color. Some choices clearly were considered acceptably optional. Career choices. Choices of romantic partner. For instance. Ellen Not so acceptably optional for Peikoff who could have been a doctor-- or Blumenthal who wanted to be a concert pianist-- or Barbara who did not really want to marry |Nathan - or, ahem, Nathan who wanted to marry Patrecia.

Well, Wings gave it their all but it was not enough. I'll be for the Hawks now. I adore Iginla and am in awe of Crosby, but Chicago are Original Sex.

So much for that rumor... Tortorelli just got fired! The Holy Hockey Puck God's just scored for the fans! Yum!The once smooth now cracked and crusty surface - the delicious melt inside - can't wait. He deserves it, for being a coach who flippantly trashed his players, and whose players ultimately did not want to play for him.

Ginny, I so accord with your impressions. That Barbara who I feel had the heaviest emotional burden and for the longest time - she did not want to marry NB, it did not feel right to her yet the influence of Rand was so strong- that she survived, with such graceand with the ability to laugh and hqve fun, says so much of her and of humanity.

|Every Oist |I ever knew either loathed sports or only played tennis or squash or skied or did something individual. So what was with the \'Collective" and their softball games? Of course baseball is the most individual of team sports. A championship team can all hate each other and still win.|"'25 taxis to the airport" - in hockey it is more 2 Smartcars with roof racks.

Checkmate---time to go bonnet shopping. The old one must be getting rusty!

both chi and la have played such superb hockey all season long. \\\\\hope everybody will have enough gas left to give us two more great series.

|'ve gotten,a bit behind since the Sens exited and the local political scandals became so divertingNow I am pulling for the \wings since I heard Detroit has urban vegetable gardens and other neat Progressive stuffin their downtown now.. How is Torts holding up as the wolves bay for his blood? Who has your rooting interest now?

Will I get safe passage or be feasted on? (I know what "foist" really means here. --Brant lf the Kenyans did not feast on our ex=|Mayor Lastman and his plump tasty wife, as he feared aloud, I think your sunbaked sinews are safe from us. I \We used to wring our hands at what an embarrassment Lastman was as the "face of Toronto." But all he did was live most of the time in Florida, take kickbacks, call out the army in a panic at the first snowstorm of winter (about a foot of snow), and turn out to have a second "wife" and children in addition to his legal ones. As wss would say, yawn.

I hereby invite you to revisit them. . \I am still determined to foist an OL social upon poor Michael and Kat somewhere, and \I know you are a very experienced long distance driver and you would love to see the beautiful Maritimes or at least interesting \Toronto. Carol Shameless Opportunist and current non car owner Will I get safe passage or be feasted on? (I know what "foist" really means here.) --Brant Canadians are best avoided; if they didn't get over France they didn't get over Great Britain which is why they can't get over America, Canada being its hat and all. Its hat? As the brain is the "hat" and the lower regions the suit - yeah,guess you're right.

Great story.That is the spirit Maggie. The Rangers would not suck if their so-called coach were not such a narcissistmegalomaniac jerk with such contempt for the fans, the media and his own players. See you at the bonfire, and |I do mean bon.

I hereby invite you to revisit them. . \I am still determined to foist an OL social upon poor Michael and Kat somewhere, and \I know you are a very experienced long distance driver and you would love to see the beautiful Maritimes or at least interesting \Toronto. Carol Shameless Opportunist and current non car owner

The longest undefended border in the world is no longer undefended, the guns and dogs are commonplace on the southside of the 49th parallel, yet still every year in my hometown the borders open for the International Festival and I can walk across the bridge again as I used to, a friend and relation.

Eg the \Ford families both north and south of the border. |O, those damn atavistic |Stupid genes!

I think of this subject because I have a passion for intelligence and naturally wonder where all those Jewish brains have come from. --Brant "This land is mine, God gave this land to me" is, of course, complete bunk The van den Haag hypothesis is that the occurrence of high intelligence among Ashkenazic Jews was the accidental result of the way matches were made in the Jewish Shtetels (Jewish communities in eastern Europe). Men who mastered Talmud and Torah which involve very abstract principles were held in very high respect. They were considered proper matches with the daughters of prosperous and successful businessmen who have already demonstrated high practical intelligence. Meanwhile among the Catholic communities their brightest and best were shunted into the Priesthood and Monasteries where the chances of having reproductive success was minimal. In short Catholic culture developed a program of lowering IQ and Jewish culture developed (purely accidentally) a program for raising IQ. The rest is history. With the advent of the Protestant movement, the fortunes of men improved since material prosperity was regarded as a Sign that the Almighty had bestowed His favor. As a result the Protestants also developed a breeding program for maximizing practical intelligence. Ba'al Chatzaf This is a sensible analysis, except the |Protestant breeding program seemed to result in their running out of brains before they ran out of money in many instances. \I know of a few families myself.

If Ed Snider and Tim Thomas can't destroy hockey, Ayn Rand can't do much harm to football. You Canadians don't know the power of the Rand --Brant embrace it before it embraces you You Americans don't know that the pen is mightier than the sword and the puck is mightier than both of them.

yes, we all apparently "down in lovely muck have lain happy till I rose again" here in Hogtown

As the person who said our politics are boring, and who has commented on \Ford long before his present prominence, I subscribe to the Illuminati theory wholeheartedly.

Thanks Stephen, hopefully many more sunrises (and happier days). It's difficult to tell, in advance, when it's your time to go. Really? I was taught that "lie" should be used for people, and "lay" for objects. Oh well... And more creations to come. You were taught correctly for the present tense-- but the past for the reflexive "lie" is lay, lain and for the transitive "lay" is laid, laid. Belated b-day prezzie from your friendly Grammar |Granny!

If Ed Snider and Tim Thomas can't destroy hockey, Ayn Rand can't do much harm to football.

Do or die for the Rangers ! Adam, you better have your stick sharpener handy and get to splittin' them two-by-fours.