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Neil, it may have been a Russian lullabye or Yiddish prayer, something soothing for a child.

You bet bro. And the sweet Atlantic breezes are timeless!

Oh what a poem, I never read it before. Thanks.

Infowars and Dice. Larry and Moe. Where's Curly?

Calling aunts and uncles by those terms is also still common up here in the north. And the same is true of teachers. I can't help but call my old high school teachers "Mr." or Mrs." even after they've asked me to call them by their first names. J I vote that we just call Kacy an effete egalitarian non-downhome guy and move on. Carol Still scared of Mr. Leland(Grade 10)

And in peacetime, for non-veterans, it is just boys and their toys.

Typhus, diphtheria, polio, ... It was normal for children to have measles, chicken pox, and rubella. No pPenicillin, no sulpha, in fact, medical science did not even exist because trials and peer review reporting were unknown or uncommon at best. Massingill poisoned people with radiator coolant in cough medicine (accidentally, of course). Birth control was illegal, not just the termination of pregnancy, but condoms. Diaphragms were unmentionable in many places, again, by law. Even teaching a woman about the fertility cycle was illegal. Racism was considered science, as was eugenics. (Although to be fair, it was the progressives who were worried about the pollution of the American race were the ones pushing to get birth control to the masses... which undercores the fact that your best chance for an intelligent conversation was actually with someone whom you would today regad as your political enemy.) None of your friends would be Jews. Jews knew to keep to themselves. Ivy League schools limited Jewish enrollments to 10% or fewer less they overwhelm the WASP lads. Coloreds also had their own separately unequal facilities. In 1920, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Washington DC without their hoods because they felt not incorrectly that they expressed the mainstream of America. I understand and appreciate what we lost, but they were not the glory days of the garden of Eden, and you would not want to go back there. (Though I agree about the engine room of the Titanic. I cried there, though not when Jack slipped under the waves, it was for the men who stood their sations, versus the cases today where the crew gets into rafts and abandons the passengers.) Typhus, diphtheria, polio, ... It was normal for children to have measles, chicken pox, and rubella. No pPenicillin, no sulpha, in fact, medical science did not even exist because trials and peer review reporting were unknown or uncommon at best. Massingill poisoned people with radiator coolant in cough medicine (accidentally, of course). Birth control was illegal, not just the termination of pregnancy, but condoms. Diaphragms were unmentionable in many places, again, by law. Even teaching a woman about the fertility cycle was illegal. Racism was considered science, as was eugenics. (Although to be fair, it was the progressives who were worried about the pollution of the American race were the ones pushing to get birth control to the masses... which undercores the fact that your best chance for an intelligent conversation was actually with someone whom you would today regad as your political enemy.) None of your friends would be Jews. Jews knew to keep to themselves. Ivy League schools limited Jewish enrollments to 10% or fewer less they overwhelm the WASP lads. Coloreds also had their own separately unequal facilities. In 1920, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Washington DC without their hoods because they felt not incorrectly that they expressed the mainstream of America. I understand and appreciate what we lost, but they were not the glory days of the garden of Eden, and you would not want to go back there. (Though I agree about the engine room of the Titanic. I cried there, though not when Jack slipped under the waves, it was for the men who stood their sations, versus the cases today where the crew gets into rafts and abandons the passengers.) Mike, you are so right. It is perhaps necessary for us to recast the past in the kinder, gentler light as we perceive it in our own time... after all, we are the survivors, the inheritors of all the best of the past. But living there was hideous for a large proportion of humanity; pitiless and brutish. I just read a review of "42" in which the reviewer notes that the reality of the Jim Crow area and its raw proud racism, are considerably softened for Hollywood purposes. Senseless reflexive hatred and disgust for another human being, simply because of their appearance, the anthithesis of humanity, are perhaps not best examined in a sports movie, and who wants to look at it anyway? But these prejudices have driven so much of history, and continue to operate culturally in so many places, they are so deep.

I'm so sexist I think "Girl Power" is an oxymoron. --Brant caused me to miss out on some great sex Oh, ha very ha. You are sexist like I am a Flyers fan. Anyway, Oxy is the elite class of moron. My attitudes tend to trail the more radical consensus. I was quite sexist in the early 1970s and this sexism was re-enforced when I ran into some radical, man-hating feminists. But I came along. It took me a short time to go from conservativism of the Buckley variety to Objectivism which was what gave me more of an intellectual outlook, but a very long time to go from that to much more of a libertarian. That took a decade of watching stupid wars after 9/11. I finally figured out the political realities of the power mongers who fight if not create unnecessary wars. War, I knew about war already. The pieces came together. Click! Psychologically I'm still somewhat caught up in all my past histories, ingrained as they are in all our DNAs. I'm not altogether comfortable having a libertarian orientation on the one hand and a warrior's on the other. I'm always thinking about who I would/could kill for what. Why? Because I'm capable. In Vietnam SF aidmen were the only medics in the world recognized by the Geneva convention as armed combatants, which is a step "higher" than a combat medic--the guy unarmed on the battlefield running around under fire to treat the wounded. It's not that exclusive today. --Brant I can't understand the consciousness that leaves you with, of course. But I can imagine, When I read about "Unclaimed" which I mentioned in M&E, my first thought after reading about Robertson was, "My god, that could have been X or Y (Maine boys I knew who were reported KIA) or it could have been Brant"

The Execrable Evil of Ayn Rand's Envious Enemies The Slimy Spite of Ayn Rand's Sycophantic Succubi The Bitch and the Bastard Liars Liars Pants on Fire! (..deep breath) How I Uncovered the World's Greatest Conspiracy All By Myself The Intemperate Utterances of Some People (You Know Who They are) Scholarship for Dummies

Nice! I am chagrined that you were able to work in Greene's greatest novel, especially after I spent no less than 45 seconds trying to come up with something myself. Can we surmise that you came up with this thread having after read Christopher Hitchens' autobiography? If not, imagine he and his erudite pals engaging in late night, high level bathos while fully in the bag... Actually, I came up with it after reading a funny novel which may have been written by one of his pals.(Colin somebody) The self-pitying protagonist is a brilliant but neglected author, reduced to teaching Creative Writing in a women's prison, who comforts himself by making up such titles ("Quarter to Three in the Garden of Good and Evil" is one example I remember. This is also a good pre-sleep soother, like the alphabet game. I agree, P&G was Greene's greatest. I liked Brighton Rock very much too.

I'm so sexist I think "Girl Power" is an oxymoron. --Brant caused me to miss out on some great sex Oh, ha very ha. You are sexist like I am a Flyers fan. Anyway, Oxy is the elite class of moron.

Also it was no surprise that Leonard P. just told you to go read Atlas. I bet if there is one thing he never wants to think about again it is your uncle Frank's marriage and the Brandens.

Hi Cathy, I am much older than you and I and all my cousins still say aunt and uncle (we are from the Maritimes). It is great to see you here on OL, especially as you are a woman-- we need more Girl Power here. It is fascinating to see you answering Neil Parille's questions and rediscovering your own memories. He is an objective Rand historian - you are contributing to scholarship!It seems your "Connor family life essentially ended at age 13, so your early recollections must be very poignant to you. Welcome, Carol

How can you tell she studied creative writing?

Ed has young children, he needs to be optimistic.

Hey, Sweet William! I am not so hairy anymore. I got to shave off the nine-year playoff beard.

Reading the one Serapis assigned to me I am struck how patterns I have always thought of as character flaws or failures are described so neutrally! Feeling almost good enough to pay a couple bills and do some laundry, Carol

I have taken three versions of the M-B test and I come out INTJ every time.I looked up INTJ too and it certainly validates your scientific cred Baal. And I could see how an INTJ would be very successful at lawyering, and even hockey. Yes PDS that is a straightup compliment.

So it did. My impression is that I did not hear about it till later than that. Not forty years later, though. Carol Chronologically challenged

Ohboy, I sure hope she is real! Her account of Pope Lenny's response to her enquiries is priceless - made my day. Those O'Connors sound like a fascinatingly screwed-up bunch. No wonder Frank and Nick lit out for the Territories.

My reaction is very similar to yours. If she was separated from her family by adoption at age 13, and really didn't know her aunt was Ayn Rand until lately, I find her credible (even if she is really Darren or Serapis, the story is still credible). Some people as you note are not readers and are not curious about literary celebrities, and take no notice of celebrity names they are not interested in. And though she may have heard of Ayn Rand, as most people have, she would not necessarily have checked out what kind of celebrity Rand was, if she was not interested in novels or philosophy. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who do not recognize her name or know the first thing about her. In the early 70s when she was at the height of her fame and NB1 was apparently going strong, I had never heard of her until I met an Objectivist -- and I was a reader.

Thanks Michael, I do not know what I do wrong, it is my computer but I will soon get a new one you will be glad to hear. It seems to happen when I try to edit but nothing happens so I have to use caps instead of italics.

I'll save you the time: INFP Holy old kitty,I looked it up and the "bill paying and dressing appropriately" had me dead to rights. Damn you, Karl Jung!

It's my thread and I can be dumb if I want to. What is this test, please?

I've test three ways. It comes out INTJ. Sometimes I have a nightmare and I dream that I am an INTP. Sounds like I am your nightmare but have not been tested to know for sure :-) Dennis What is this test? Does everybody have to take it?