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OK, double or nothing. A popular novel was written about the daughter of an important Revolutionary-era politician and her relationship with her father. He was not an early president but could have been. Who was he and what was the book?

Carol: Nice try, but very weak, I did not even have to duck on that one. Three tries for a quarter. Adam Would that quarter be in real money or American - er-currency? 0 for two ... One left, make it count lady! Called out by Umpire "Subjective Sal" Selene, I now slink back to the bench.

Carol: Nice try, but very weak, I did not even have to duck on that one. Three tries for a quarter. Adam Would that quarter be in real money or American - er-currency?

Malia is the Hawaiian form of Mary - was that the name of Mama Obama? Sasha (I KNOW, Adam... choosing that name announced the family Sovietism for all the world to see, you tried to warn everybody...) These girls have already displaced Margaret Truman and Amy Carter as my Favourite Presidential Daughters. Margaret's DC mysteries are downright boring, she should have stuck to the piano. Alice Roosevelt Longworth was in a class of her own though.

Carol, To steal and rephrase someone's* line, "For a woman, philosophy is a thing apart, while to a man, it is his entire life." (Or something like that.) Do you agree? *Who was that again? E.B.B. ? Tony "Man's love is of man's life a thing apart, it is a woman's whole existence." It was Byron - a fine one to talk. I don't agree, except of course it reflects that in his time love, or at least marriage, was nearly the only occupation available to the women in Byron's milieu. Men and women equally need love as an affirmation of their existence - to what extent, depends on the individual.They need to be loved, and to give love--without that, working out life's neater equations will never really satisfy.

There is a moment -- one few people will ever experience -- that has long fascinated me. It is the moment when a newly elected president is alone in the Oval Office for the first time, and all that has happened hits him. I am thinking not of the power but of the history of the presidency. The effect on a new president with a sense of history must be incredible. (Of course, this rules out some recent presidents, at the very least. I think Reagan had a sense of the historical gravity of the office, as illustrated by the fact that he would never remove his jacket or tie while in the Oval Office, even when alone.) Ghs It is fascinating, because no other newly-elected leader anywhere has the challenge and burden of such a unique history. It is not just the legacy of leaders good and bad, small and great, taking up the problems of government and discharging them to the best of their abilities; it is the demand to leaders that they relight the lamp of liberty with new fuel, and stamp four years of events with a name which will forever be recorded along with the names of Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson. And they're on the clock. They need their first 100 days, their first year, four endless short years to make their mark. If they enter office with little sense of history, they must leave it with a greater one. Ghosts surely walk in the White House, redecorate it how they will. Andrew Johnson? Interesting choice. Let us not forget my favorite president, William Henry Harrison. Anyone who dies after only 31 days in office is, by definition, my favorite president. Ghs I was trying to think of somebody less respected than Johnson, but you have so damn many presidents. Our national leaders here are usually greeted with shrugs of familiarity, since they can stay around forever if the economy is going good, or be booted out after a couple of months, and things just seem to chug along as usual. They weren't all boring though. Do you know the story about the Father of Confederation (one of them) our first PM John A. Macdonald? He we a notorious boozer whose great enemy was the Liberal George Brown. One parliamentary session Brown gave an especially vicious tirade against Macdonald's government and all its works. John A., looking greenish, stood to respond and threw up all over his Orders-in -Council. After the pages had mopped him up, he commenced calmly, "As you know, Brown's speeches always make me sick, but on this particular occasion..."

Aristo, are you interested in any video games, spectator sports or particular bands or types of music? They are sort of the male equivalent of shoes and clothes. Interests, not entities with an intellectual ranking of those who are interested in them. I write this as one who is not interested in shoes and clothes, though when I was a young woman I made an effort.

There is a moment -- one few people will ever experience -- that has long fascinated me. It is the moment when a newly elected president is alone in the Oval Office for the first time, and all that has happened hits him. I am thinking not of the power but of the history of the presidency. The effect on a new president with a sense of history must be incredible. (Of course, this rules out some recent presidents, at the very least. I think Reagan had a sense of the historical gravity of the office, as illustrated by the fact that he would never remove his jacket or tie while in the Oval Office, even when alone.) Ghs It is fascinating, because no other newly-elected leader anywhere has the challenge and burden of such a unique history. It is not just the legacy of leaders good and bad, small and great, taking up the problems of government and discharging them to the best of their abilities; it is the demand to leaders that they relight the lamp of liberty with new fuel, and stamp four years of events with a name which will forever be recorded along with the names of Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson. And they're on the clock. They need their first 100 days, their first year, four endless short years to make their mark. If they enter office with little sense of history, they must leave it with a greater one. Ghosts surely walk in the White House, redecorate it how they will.

How wonderful In the words of their descendant who did a lot of howling and grimacing in his short day, they raged, raged against the dying of the light.

Good looks and charm? The man looks like Count Chocula, and he can't make sense without a queue card. And even then it's obvious he doesn't understand the emotional import of what he's saying. Ted, That is probably the first word you ever misspelled in your life. Randian slip? You think O jumped the queue?

Ps whatever you think of O, isn't Malia getting to be a beautiful young lady That is one good looking family. Obama's family is the only thing I envy him for. Well, maybe his money. Okay. His youth, good looks, charm --those too. And his basketball skills. Then there is the elixir of all that power.... Ghs Yes, but I bet he can't even skate. Even in my most creative fantasies I can't get Malia and my gorgeous single son together, so I've focused on Ben Harper and her meeting him at Global University sort of like William and Kate, when both their dads are retired. But already I know she is out of his league.

The socks? I don't know what that means, but now I'm picturing him stuffing his dirty socks in my mouth, sealing it with duct tape, and proceeding to "go medieval" as they said in that Tarantino movie. So no, I'm not even offering him a lawn chair. Dr Coates will of course requre special accommodation, details to follow.Sincerely, A Friend What like a sheep? Who mentioned sheep? Only you, obviously just because of an avatar which could be associated with a certain classic TV episode involving sheep, or a certain character' s mother saying , ":It's not a sheep, is it"...no one else ever thought about sheep....only you, you have a twisted mind...baa, meh..............

Hey, no jokes about lodges. And we'll do the instrumentals, thank you very much. Nanook McGuire, Asst. Shaman W.A. Mozart, Affiliate (contract only) Sacred Igloo Local 13

Luck.

The socks? I don’t know what that means, but now I’m picturing him stuffing his dirty socks in my mouth, sealing it with duct tape, and proceeding to “go medieval” as they said in that Tarantino movie. So no, I’m not even offering him a lawn chair. FRATERNAL [ Dear Mr. Ordinal, There are no socks and never have been. Listen carefully. You will buy 1000 tickets for a certain movie and open your home to fans of that movie who will identify themselves to you by secret signals. You will proceed to your nearest Home Hardware and buy materials to construct a Gulch to accommodate these fans. If you have leftover time and materials, you can build an ark and collect some newts and tree-toads, just in case. Dr Coates will of course requre special accommodation, details to follow. Sincerely, A Friend

Yes. Ted, this is hypocritcal. When I was new on this forum you spit in my face, and swore at me, and though it surprised me it certainly did not make me conclude that that the forum was a vicious snarkhole. It was an emotional debate and these things happen. I have responded to you in private (check your email) about my personal reasons for having told you once to fuck off. This matter with Phil is not about a four letter word in anger. It's about his not being able to comment in a fresh thread on a totally different topic, without someone making an out-of-the blue attack. There have been two threads, if not more, created in the last month, for no other purpose than to attack Phil. Was either moved into the garbage pile? You recently wrote one of the best short essays I have read about someone here on this thread dealing with a dying parent. Consider that that person, who says posting here is limited due to the time demands of dealing with a dying parent, writes post after post attacking Phil, often out of the blue. This is not about two words spoken once in anger. Ted, I am not ignoring you, I read your email and responded immediately, but now I have checked and it is not recorded as sent or as a draft or anything, obviously it did not go through. Due to my previous problems with accessing this site I now have 2 emails and do not well understand them or my now 2 browsers either, so please bear with me. Let me say here that I understand, and was not personally offended by, your long-past remarks to me in the heat of argument. You were not talking to me but to the ideas I advocated. Again as I wrote privately but will say publicly, just accept that some ideas are as personal to me as they are to you. Avatar - I love your avatar btw, my fave besides Mikee's cat and John Locke. I guess you are a new-age dalek . Obtaining food is obtaining food, from near or far sources is of only tactical interest to the hungry. Go find a parasite who can't rationally convince you that he is an entrepreneur with proximate markets and productive activity at the forefront. I am not a movie buff so that's my only guess.

Now that would be great to hear a mom in chat trash talking the trash talkers ;) It might even make a YouTube session go viral...haha!! ~ Shane Yes, I often wish I had transcripts of some of those conversations, they were almost bilingual. The guys are now nearing 30 and sanity and refer to me as "Mom Dictionary",

At least they haven’t called for a boycott! Y’know It might be better if they did, there’d be fewer undesirables leaving a bad impression on newbies. Imagine Ed Cline pontificating about another pinnacle of cultural corruption as people are leaving the theater. I’ll almost certainly be there Friday April 15, at AMC Sunset Place theater in South Miami, sometime that weekend for sure, with whatever entourage I can muster. They don’t have it available for advance sale, I just checked. http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/theaters Come on Ninth - now we know you're in Florida - invite Phil and let him have the bed - he'll share one of the socks with you!

The point being you don't even realize you yourself are a slave driving parasite? A grey life-form with tentacles should not be so quick to cry parasite! Are you saying that catching your own food with tentacles is the same as sucking blood from the wall of someone's bowel? I have six shiny gold Atlas Points for the first person to identify the life form in my avatar photo. I would like to participate in this contest but I am not feeling too well.

Who is this best contemporary writer? So very true and it confirms what I have been convinced of ever since I consciously reflected on it: There is no difference whatsoever when it comes to men and women here. 1. Why it's Dr Mrs Dr Hsieh of course - don't you see her credentials? Too bad she doesn't have an outlet for her seminal works. Seriously, I was not thinking of scholars like Tara Smith or David Kelley or the writers in the Corners here on OL. but of writing in the forms I am more familiar with. Barabara Branden's beautifully=wrought biography. 2. Your last comment is entirely, personally, impersonally, and universally true.

Who is this best contemporary writer? So very true and it confirms what I have been convinced of ever since I consciously reflected on it: There is no difference whatsoever when it comes to men and women here.

Having seen the repetitious, boring, childish nature of the names called heretofore, I think we can have no fear of actual sticks and stones.

That is a great one. If only I had had it as an outlet when my basement was entirely populated by my own trash talkers plus their numerous friends who had been kicked out of their own mothers' basements!

On a hopeful note, my favouite loathed ex-Canadian Tubby Black was hugely improved by prison, though he already liked to read when he went in.

Anybody live near Millhaven?