BaalChatzaf Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Herein is a very intelligent essay that takes reductionism to its logical conclusion. http://onthehuman.org/2009/11/the-disenchanted-naturalists-guide-to-reality/It is so very reminiscent of Dr. Prichet at the party telling the folks around him that nothing is anything. If Ayn Rand were around today she would have said: I told you so......When Alex Rosenberg doesn't exactly say that. It is more like everything is bosons and fermions. Ye gods! The essay is so depressing.... And yet it states what I have come to believe. Only my cock-eyed sense of humor stands between me and the Void.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Hmm.. I don't find it depressing at all. There aren't any logical limitations of existence, or is-ness, and as a part of existence, I am not worried about much.I think there is value in existence itself, and, therefor, any part of it.What scientific discovery could possibly prove an intrinsic "meaning" in anything, anyway? The term "random" just annoys me... To assume something doesn't have a cause seems thoughtless... Isn't it safer to assume that science will be an endless-progression of discovery?Am I missing the depressing part or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 Hmm.. I don't find it depressing at all. There aren't any logical limitations of existence, or is-ness, and as a part of existence, I am not worried about much.I think there is value in existence itself, and, therefor, any part of it.What scientific discovery could possibly prove an intrinsic "meaning" in anything, anyway? The term "random" just annoys me... To assume something doesn't have a cause seems thoughtless... Isn't it safer to assume that science will be an endless-progression of discovery?Am I missing the depressing part or something?Probably. Better you should believe that existence is not the Seinfeld Show.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 It is more like everything is bosons and fermions.I take this to say more about bosons and fermions than it says about us or anything else we place value on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Hmm.. I don't find it depressing at all. There aren't any logical limitations of existence, or is-ness, and as a part of existence, I am not worried about much. I think there is value in existence itself, and, therefor, any part of it. What scientific discovery could possibly prove an intrinsic "meaning" in anything, anyway? The term "random" just annoys me... To assume something doesn't have a cause seems thoughtless... Isn't it safer to assume that science will be an endless-progression of discovery? Am I missing the depressing part or something?'Hard' determinism is so easy to refute that it proves its opposite.You missed the depressing part - terrific. Testament to an independent mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share Posted December 18, 2011 Reading the Rosenberg piece I got the same feeling that I got when listening to the Peggy Lee song "Is that all there is?"Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Thanks for digging up that article. I loved it ... it immediately made me wonder what was the man's purpose. For those who haven't read that page, check it out, and then read through the comments. They take some or most of the stuffing out of the argument he presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I do not wish to be depressed so I have not read this thread.Somebody break it to me gently, please.Ms Brenda Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 wss, maybe you should change your avatar. We all know you were not a Vancouver rioter but newbies might get the wrong impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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