kira.newman Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi all, I'm a second-generation Objectivist (hence the name) who has started a career as a journalist, writing about entrepreneurs and their early-stage technology companies for Tech Cocktail. I wanted to share with you a new blog that I created called Joy of Honesty. You could say honesty is my "favorite" virtue: I feel very strongly that a world where people were truly honest - not hiding their feelings and thoughts, and expecting the same from others - would be a much happier place. Lots of doubting, wondering what people are thinking, and general uncertainty about reality happens when you can't trust the people around you to be truthful. I'd love to hear your feedback - the blog is intended for a general audience, but I try to provide new information and ideas that would be interesting to Objectivists. Cheers!Kira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 You might find some of Jack Finney's short stories interesting, as he frequently dealt with the subject of honesty. (There are two Jack Finneys. I refer to the author of I love Galesburg in the Springtime not The Circus of Dr. Lao. The later was a creep, if a good writer.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Welcome to OL.With your passionate focus on honesty, I would imagine that you're not a big fan of Peikoff's ideas on "privacy lies."J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyau Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi Kira,Thanks for introducing your blog here. You have an important and rich subject worthy of such attention.Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Welcome to OL, Kira.I like your blog and I like your approach.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 As an inveterate liar I was repelled by your blog and came back to OL as fast as I could. This where I'm much more comfortable.--not BrantThis is the truth!not trapped by contradictions for I'm cogitating up on the "meta" level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I've always thought of you as more of an invertebrate liar.J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 My vocabulary's not so limited I don't know what you just said!--Brantchoose your weapons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9thdoctor Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Welcome to OL. As you can see we have a direct lineal descendant of Epimenides among us. Enjoy, check out the archives, and feel free to pick on Phil even though he told us all off and doesn't post here anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Welcome [ . . . ] and feel free to pick on Phil even though he told us all off and doesn't post here anymore.Phil will likely answer my last email to him ('Thrice-yearly checkup') and crush us all into dust with his achievements since he last graced us with his presence.I think one of the best threads (to 'meet' almost everyone' and to see how low and how high a discussion can go) for a newcomer is the fabulous J Neil Schulman-titled thread about the 'mind-meld' with Gawed.Page one (of fifty-one) starts here.Random sample: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 [William Scherk, post # 2]: I think one of the best threads (to 'meet' almost everyone' and to seehow low and how high a discussion can go) for a newcomer is the fabulousJ Neil Schulman-titled thread about the 'mind-meld' with Gawed.That Neil Schulman thread is really something special. It offers an excellent study in the impossibility to 'prove' the existence of a god."I prayed for proof. I then experienced what I regard as proof." Neil wrote in # 541 there.But a subjective experience does not qualify as proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The Neil Schulman thread was/is unrivaled in my opinion. I will never forgive "Starbuckle" for refusing to admit that he was simply Phil in drag. I will never forget how George Smith slapped J. Neil to sleep and then slapped him for sleeping. Welcome Kira, and don't forget Emerson's wise words: "the louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." ****Unfortunately and unusually apt, in light of the continued musical success of that story involving the (worker-exploiting) silver-thief Jean Valjean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 If anyone is interested, here is a link to a previous thread Kira started here on OL:How to keep a positive outlookThis was from 2010, which is why it does not show up on her profile or on a forum search.Because of her post count, there is probably some more stuff. So I will dig an post links to it if I find it.Damn IPB search limitations...(This will be fixed when we move to a different program and hosting.)MichaelEDIT: Here is the other one. (Google is our friend.) I think that is all.My Atlas Shrugged video contest entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kira.newman Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you all! I will check out Finney's books and read about Peikoff's "privacy lies" - I'm not familiar. I've decided to launch a month-long "experiment" that challenges people to be more honest. If any of you are interested in participating, I'd love to have you! Here's the info: http://honestyexperiment.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/the-honesty-experiment/And sorry for the late response! I assumed that I would get an email if anyone replied...Cheers,Kira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you all! I will check out Finney's books and read about Peikoff's "privacy lies" - I'm not familiar. I've decided to launch a month-long "experiment" that challenges people to be more honest. If any of you are interested in participating, I'd love to have you! Here's the info: http://honestyexperiment.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/the-honesty-experiment/And sorry for the late response! I assumed that I would get an email if anyone replied...Cheers,Kira Late welcome to OL. Apparently with the replaced software, you would get an e-mail. Apparently that is no longer true.I am assuming that you have blocked any and all Federal legislators from participating in a "truthful" blog...A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You might find some of Jack Finney's short stories interesting, as he frequently dealt with the subject of honesty. (There are two Jack Finneys. I refer to the author of I love Galesburg in the Springtime not The Circus of Dr. Lao. The later was a creep, if a good writer.)Finney also wrote Invasion of the Body Snatchers from which at least 4 movies were derived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Hi all, I'm a second-generation Objectivist (hence the name) who has started a career as a journalist, writing about entrepreneurs and their early-stage technology companies for Tech Cocktail. I wanted to share with you a new blog that I created called Joy of Honesty. You could say honesty is my "favorite" virtue: I feel very strongly that a world where people were truly honest - not hiding their feelings and thoughts, and expecting the same from others - would be a much happier place. Lots of doubting, wondering what people are thinking, and general uncertainty about reality happens when you can't trust the people around you to be truthful. I'd love to hear your feedback - the blog is intended for a general audience, but I try to provide new information and ideas that would be interesting to Objectivists. Cheers!Kira I concur with you choice of virtues. My Mission from God is to be the little boy in the Hans Christian Anderson story "The Emperor's New Clothes" Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDS Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Hi all, I'm a second-generation Objectivist (hence the name) who has started a career as a journalist, writing about entrepreneurs and their early-stage technology companies for Tech Cocktail. I wanted to share with you a new blog that I created called Joy of Honesty. You could say honesty is my "favorite" virtue: I feel very strongly that a world where people were truly honest - not hiding their feelings and thoughts, and expecting the same from others - would be a much happier place. Lots of doubting, wondering what people are thinking, and general uncertainty about reality happens when you can't trust the people around you to be truthful. I'd love to hear your feedback - the blog is intended for a general audience, but I try to provide new information and ideas that would be interesting to Objectivists. Cheers!Kira I concur with you choice of virtues. My Mission from God is to be the little boy in the Hans Christian Anderson story "The Emperor's New Clothes" Ba'al Chatzaf Is this not itself a lie? If not, from where and when did you receive this alleged mission? If so, can't you see that it is wrong to lie in a thread about honesty? Kira: glad to see you returned. Many before you have been one or two hit wonders, having taken Neil Young's advice that it's better to burn out than it is to rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you all! I will check out Finney's books and read about Peikoff's "privacy lies" - I'm not familiar."There are men other than criminals or dictators to whom it is moral to lie. For example, lying is necessary and proper in certain cases to protect one's privacy from snoopers." (Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, p. 276)Also:http://www.peikoff.com/2008/09/08/what-kinds-of-lies-are-appropriate-to-protect-ones-privacy/J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrakusos Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thanks for the link to the TED Talk. I will read Liespotting. The problem is what to do or say when you do not want to answer. Deception can be important. I buy and sell often in numismatics. I am not a dealer or a collector, but as a writer, I do need samples. "How much did you pay for it?" would be an important question, but we never ask. It is irrelevant, really, but more to the point, it only encourages unproductive lying. We know that much. Yet in the workaday world, people often ask probing questions to gain some advantage that you do not want to yield and perhaps should not yield. I just came from BSides, a computer hacking conference. Red Team penetration testing is important to maintaining security. If not for defenses, any perpetrator could just walk in and ask fro the Crown Jewels. I do agree with the advice from The West Wing in a flashback to the start of the first presidential campaign, then-Congressman Bartlett voted against a dairy subsidy that his constituents wanted. His advisors had dodges, but Toby Ziegler won his job by saying, "... if only because it is the easiest thing to remember, tell the truth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 My Mission from God is to be the little boy in the Hans Christian Anderson story "The Emperor's New Clothes" Bob,Hunh.,..I've always seen you as the frog who is actually a prince and hasn't yet found the princess.(But I ain't kissin' no one...)Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDS Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I am about to go lie my ass off for about 6-7 hours.Poker is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I am about to go lie my ass off for about 6-7 hours.Poker is fun. Depends on who you are in front of the fireplace with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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