Michael Stuart Kelly Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Egypt Speaks II - You Obama, Father, MotherI want to say something profound about this, but there are so many conflicting... er... I mean... so many... well...This thing is going viral and you just have to see it for yourself to understand. The best thing about it is what it shows about free speech in Egypt. It may not be optimal, but there's some real fight and bite going on.I think the title, which seems to be one of the song's hooks, is like playing the dozens--a low class way to pick a fight by saying bad things about a person's parents. It's like saying Obama's mother wore combat boots (or probably worse). As to the lady's... er... performance and command of the English language, lands far and near will hear wonders and marvels about Sama Elmasry through the winds of time, but wisdom dictates to keep my own council. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Didn't watch it, but O's mother did sort of wear combat boots in a way. \I wear them myself in the winter on Ladies Drink Free Nite at the Hag &Sporran.Tired of this outworn prejudice against sensible female footwear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Hougen Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Lol! I love it! The video is great! The Egyptians do have some fight, some spunk, some mettle. I hope they are successful in their attempts to install a secular, democratic, constitutional government. They still face many challenges, but I was happy to see Morsi go.Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Lol! I love it! The video is great! The Egyptians do have some fight, some spunk, some mettle. I hope they are successful in their attempts to install a secular, democratic, constitutional government. They still face many challenges, but I was happy to see Morsi go.DarrellRejoice all you want to. The basic fact of the matter is people who live in the Muslim domains would not know what a right is if it came and bit them on the ass. It took English speaking people over 600 years from the time Magna Carta was forced on King John to reach the point where rights were generally respected and protected. Nothing like that has taken place in the Islamic domains. Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Hougen Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Lol! I love it! The video is great! The Egyptians do have some fight, some spunk, some mettle. I hope they are successful in their attempts to install a secular, democratic, constitutional government. They still face many challenges, but I was happy to see Morsi go.DarrellRejoice all you want to. The basic fact of the matter is people who live in the Muslim domains would not know what a right is if it came and bit them on the ass. It took English speaking people over 600 years from the time Magna Carta was forced on King John to reach the point where rights were generally respected and protected. Nothing like that has taken place in the Islamic domains. Ba'al Chatzaf True, and it could take 600 years for them to change. However, they have the same advantage that the Japanese and Chinese have had with respect to technological development --- they can copy what we've already done.Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 True, and it could take 600 years for them to change. However, they have the same advantage that the Japanese and Chinese have had with respect to technological development --- they can copy what we've already done.DarrellWhen it comes to technical matters the Japanese and Chinese have a respect for facts that is not in evidence in the Islamic domains. Fervent Muslims believe everything in the Q'ran is true in the factual sense. Are you familiar with what happened to one of the libraries in Alexandria? When the Muslims conquered Egypt, Caliph Omar had a problem concerning the remaining libraries in Alexandria (several of the major libraries had been previous destroyed by Romans and later Christians). He came to this conclusion. If the material in the libraries agreed with the Q'ran then they were redundant and the scrolls could be burned without any great loss. On the other hand if the material disagreed with the Q'ran they were clearly false and should be burned. In either case the scrolls of the remaining libraries were burned and that kept the baths of Alexandria properly heated for a year.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Baal; Your acknowledgement of Islamic preservation and advancement of mathematical and scientific knowledge in their "golden age" appears here to be , ahem, zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Hougen Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 True, and it could take 600 years for them to change. However, they have the same advantage that the Japanese and Chinese have had with respect to technological development --- they can copy what we've already done.DarrellWhen it comes to technical matters the Japanese and Chinese have a respect for facts that is not in evidence in the Islamic domains. Fervent Muslims believe everything in the Q'ran is true in the factual sense. Are you familiar with what happened to one of the libraries in Alexandria? When the Muslims conquered Egypt, Caliph Omar had a problem concerning the remaining libraries in Alexandria (several of the major libraries had been previous destroyed by Romans and later Christians). He came to this conclusion. If the material in the libraries agreed with the Q'ran then they were redundant and the scrolls could be burned without any great loss. On the other hand if the material disagreed with the Q'ran they were clearly false and should be burned. In either case the scrolls of the remaining libraries were burned and that kept the baths of Alexandria properly heated for a year.Ba'al Chatzaf I'm hoping for the victory of the secularists.Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I'm hoping for the victory of the secularists.DarrellFrom your keyboard to the monitor of Allah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Wiig Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Baal;Your acknowledgement of Islamic preservation and advancement of mathematical and scientific knowledge in their "golden age" appears here to be , ahem, zero.To what degree should it figure within ones estimation of Islam? Does the so-called golden age mean that Islam is somehow not evil? Somehow not militant? Somehow not 100% antithetical to freedom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Baal;Your acknowledgement of Islamic preservation and advancement of mathematical and scientific knowledge in their "golden age" appears here to be , ahem, zero.To what degree should it figure within ones estimation of Islam? Does the so-called golden age mean that Islam is somehow not evil? Somehow not militant? Somehow not 100% antithetical to freedom?There were (note the past tense) times and places when Islam was not the Prime Evil of the world. In Andalus in Spain the Islamic domains were peaceful and receptive to outsiders who come to study and contribute in Andalus. Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars worked there and sometimes together.In the Caliphate of Egypt, Jews were welcome to live and work. The Spanish Rabbi Miamonodes (Moshe ben Maimon) came to Egypt where he was the court physician for the Caliph. He did very well in Egypt. At that time the Egyptian Caliphate was not conquering everything around them.Islam was not always like it is now. Right now Islam is a vile wicked religion which promotes violence and death and is a threat to the peace and quiet of the world.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Egypt Speaks II - You Obama, Father, MotherI want to say something profound about this, but there are so many conflicting... er... I mean... so many... well...This thing is going viral and you just have to see it for yourself to understand. The best thing about it is what it shows about free speech in Egypt. It may not be optimal, but there's some real fight and bite going on.I think the title, which seems to be one of the song's hooks, is like playing the dozens--a low class way to pick a fight by saying bad things about a person's parents. It's like saying Obama's mother wore combat boots (or probably worse). As to the lady's... er... performance and command of the English language, lands far and near will hear wonders and marvels about Sama Elmasry through the winds of time, but wisdom dictates to keep my own council. MichaelI understand this is about using the F word without actually saying it. A terrible insult.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 What is it about the Daughters of Abraham that stokes up my lust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Wiig Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Baal, how about showing me just how the (much overstated) tolerance of the so-called "golden age" was actually grounded in Islam itself, as opposed to being in spite of Islam? That there have been periods where Islamic observance has waned, or that there are many millions of Muslims today who are tolerant of the un-Islamic, doesn't alter the fact that Islam is an inherently violent anti-freedom system that subjugates non-Muslims. My question hasn't been answered. Should my estimation of Islam as a thoroughly evil scourge upon mankind that ought to be resisted till mankind is rid of it be softened somehow because of the existence of the so-called "golden age"?Selene puts forth the golden age for a reason. That reason seems to be to mitigate your harsh judgement. I don't see any good reason as to why your harsh judgement needs mitigating. So far as I can tell, it only serves to perpetuate evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 There were (note the past tense) times and places when Islam was not the Prime Evil of the world.Bob,This is the difference between you and the Infidel dude.He is a bigot and you are merely cantankerous.In his world, he would rewrite history and totally eliminate facts that do not support his hatred of Islam. He'll deny it, of course, but just look at what he writes and how he accuses people who look at facts of "perpetuating evil."In your world, you let the facts of history speak, even when you interpret them in a cantankerous manner (like when you blame Aristotle for the thinking of others that happened centuries after he died).See here for a great discussion by Glenn Beck on the mentality of a bigot, although it deals with white-black racism. Still, all bigotry is the same at the root.I can discuss things with you. And I even get a kick out of your cantankerous part.I can't with the other dude. I let his last post through because it displays Glenn's "anatomy of a racist" to a tee (except the personal power part, which is not relevant at this stage in this venue).Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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