Backlighting Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought it was this bad.Amazing how you will not see these photos on television, "main stream," cable, or, alternate more than 5%, if that.On Saturday August 9, 2014, 18 year-old Michael Brown was shot to death by a Ferguson police officer after he had earlier robbed a local convenience store.Since his death protesters have gathered every night in Ferguson and caused mass destruction in the community.The vandalism and destruction is enormous.Several dozen businesses have been damaged in the violence.Here is an interactive map of the attacks, shootings, lootings, and destruction.Many of the local businesses have been looted not just once, but twice.On Sunday Adam Sharp took photos of the looted Ferguson businesses.Here are JUST A FEW of the Ferguson businesses attacked by looters.A1-MarketCricketRadio ShackDollar GeneralFamily DollarQuikTripShoe CarnivalAdvance America Cash AdvanceK-Mart PharmacyTaco BellAT&TT-MobileAuto ZoneElite LiquorJC WirelessFerguson Market and Liquor“Gentle Giant” Michael Brown robbed this store the day of his death.Payday LoansYolo Boutique and STL CordlessYolo is a black-owned businessSam’s Market and BeerThe Dellwood MarketDellwood Market was looted earlier in the week and then torched on Sunday night.This is just the beginning...Slimy Al is leading a march this weekend on Staten Island...look for potential riots [known as cost and tax free shopping] this weekend in all five (5) boroughs..A...My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Slimy Al is leading a march this weekend on Staten Island...look for potential riots [known as cost and tax free shopping] this weekend in all five (5) boroughs..A...My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-JThis deal is going to cost someone, other than the taxpayers a shit load of money and graft. If Al "Tawana Brawley-arson deaths in Harlam - Brooklyn anti-Semitic 'Pogrom'" Sharpton plays his cards right, he could get a department in one of the "Administration's large bureaucracies.Patronage power is how you build an inside the system political machine.HARLEM, N.Y. -- Rev. Al Sharpton and the family of Eric Garner will announce the finalized plans for the "We Will Not Go Back" march at a rally Saturday at the National Action Network in Harlem.Sharpton has made it known that he'd like to bring marchers across the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge on Saturday, August 23, but both Mayor Bill de Blasio and Public Advocate Letitia James have questioned the feasibility of a bridge rallying point."There are very real logistical challenges with using the bridge and I think the reverend acknowledged that," de Blasio said at a press conference at the Ingersoll Community Center in Downtown Brooklyn.The Post reports that de Blasio has spoken with Sharpton regarding the rally and that he believes the march will likely be staged elsewhere."I think he's made it very clear that he's looking at other options. There's been a close coordination with the NYPD in terms of what makes logistical sense," de Blasio said.Ms. James hopes the rally will be held at a safer location for marchers, according to Daily News reports."In light of structural issues and the lack of an established pedestrian walkway, plans to march across the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge should be discontinued," she told the Daily News. "Instead, protests should proceed at alternate locations where permits are likely to be granted and the overall safety of protestors can be guaranteed."Sharpton's finalized plans for the march will be announced at the Harlem NAN meeting Saturday morning at 9:50. There will be a live stream of the event on the network's website.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf DeVoon Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 "Live fire from the direction of protesters, police unleash tear gas and stun grenades, drag people from car." [Zero Hedge] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Fisher Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't know if this has been mentioned here but: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The USA strikes me (at least New York City does) as a very controlled society. Yes, I know I can't compare that island(s) to "real" America, but still: Do you think this situation has gotten truly out of control or that it (maybe at the same time) serves some sort of "collective psychological purpose"? It looks from afar as if American blacks are patiently waiting for an opportunity to demand something more from society than righteous justice for a state crime (if that were the case which I obviously can't tell). In Argentina we have looting too but triggered by random things. When a poor boy is killed by the police in what's called "easy trigger" (gatillo facil) (trigger happy I suppose) the victim's family and friends protest with righteous indignation, sometimes loudly but never violently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backlighting Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Slimy Al is leading a march this weekend on Staten Island...look for potential riots [known as cost and tax free shopping] this weekend in all five (5) boroughs..A...My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-JP.S. I grew up near the VerrThis deal is going to cost someone, other than the taxpayers a shit load of money and graft. If Al "Tawana Brawley-arson deaths in Harlam - Brooklyn anti-Semitic 'Pogrom'" Sharpton plays his cards right, he could get a department in one of the "Administration's large bureaucracies.Patronage power is how you build an inside the system political machine.HARLEM, N.Y. -- Rev. Al Sharpton and the family of Eric Garner will announce the finalized plans for the "We Will Not Go Back" march at a rally Saturday at the National Action Network in Harlem.Sharpton has made it known that he'd like to bring marchers across the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge on Saturday, August 23, but both Mayor Bill de Blasio and Public Advocate Letitia James have questioned the feasibility of a bridge rallying point."There are very real logistical challenges with using the bridge and I think the reverend acknowledged that," de Blasio said at a press conference at the Ingersoll Community Center in Downtown Brooklyn.The Post reports that de Blasio has spoken with Sharpton regarding the rally and that he believes the march will likely be staged elsewhere."I think he's made it very clear that he's looking at other options. There's been a close coordination with the NYPD in terms of what makes logistical sense," de Blasio said.Ms. James hopes the rally will be held at a safer location for marchers, according to Daily News reports."In light of structural issues and the lack of an established pedestrian walkway, plans to march across the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge should be discontinued," she told the Daily News. "Instead, protests should proceed at alternate locations where permits are likely to be granted and the overall safety of protestors can be guaranteed."Sharpton's finalized plans for the march will be announced at the Harlem NAN meeting Saturday morning at 9:50. There will be a live stream of the event on the network's website.A...I'm surprised he hasn't already gotten a department in one of the "Administration's large bureaucracies"And I wouldn't be surprised if he & his cohorts figure a way to use taxpayers money to fund it all.Adam said "Patronage power is how you build an inside the system political machine" Spot on!-JP.S. I grew up near the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. If he succeeds in going that route I wouldn't want to be in need of using the Belt Pkwy, in either direction. The traffic is brutal, at best, just about any time, without the invading roaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It looks from afar as if American blacks are patiently waiting for an opportunity to demand something more from society than righteous justice for a state crime (if that were the case which I obviously can't tell).Maybe what you're seeing from afar is a focus on American inner-city black enclaves. I live in a quiet, middle-class-suburban sort of neighborhood which is about 90% black. What I see amongst my neighbors, black and white, is negativity against attempts to turn race issues into pitched battles and general worry about economic issues and the prospects for their children and grandchildren.Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe what you're seeing from afar is a focus on American inner-city black enclaves. I live in a quiet, middle-class-suburban sort of neighborhood which is about 90% black. What I see amongst my neighbors, black and white, is negativity against attempts to turn race issues into pitched battles and general worry about economic issues and the prospects for their children and grandchildren.EllenMost likely. But what percentage of the African American population lives in that sort of suburban communities? 90% really? This becomes less and less of an issue with more miscegenation, stil I take it you live in the North or around one of the new cities of the Sun Belt, not the traditional South? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-JReverend Al will always be where he can pour kerosine in the latest fire. It is what he does.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Here are some of the questions I want answered:1) was the "victim" right, or, left handed?2) how tall is the police officer?3) how many bullets were in his clip [assuming an automatic]?4) how many total rounds were fired?5) did Baden find any swelling on the left or right hand of the "victim?"6) did the Ferguson Police Department take pictures of the police officer's face?7) how the hell do you send single occupant patrol cars into, if Peter's statements were true, a drug/gang dominated zone?There will be more questions...add your own here...A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It seems the more the evidence coming out points to Michael Brown being a thug the worst the rioting gets. I think there's no chance the officer will be indicted and that's probably the reason. The pattern of wounds appears to me that the officer was shooting very rapidly at the hard charging Michael Brown. He was trying to shoot center mass but pulled to the left hitting the right arm. Put one in the upper right chest area which caused MB to fall forward moving his head down into the next two bullets. I read he fell only three or four feet in front of the officers feet. Both were very jacked up adrenaline wise due to the struggle for the officers gun less than a minute before and the gun going off in the car. I can't see anything else that the cop could have done other than not being there in the first place. I understand he had just come off a call nearby for a health related issue. Not mentally prepared to run into a defensive lineman sized perp a few minutes away from a strong armed robbery and assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It seems the more the evidence coming out points to Michael Brown being a thug the worst the rioting gets. I think there's no chance the officer will be indicted and that's probably the reason. The pattern of wounds appears to me that the officer was shooting very rapidly at the hard charging Michael Brown. He was trying to shoot center mass but pulled to the left hitting the right arm. Put one in the upper right chest area which caused MB to fall forward moving his head down into the next two bullets. I read he fell only three or four feet in front of the officers feet. Both were very jacked up adrenaline wise due to the struggle for the officers gun less than a minute before and the gun going off in the car. I can't see anything else that the cop could have done other than not being there in the first place. I understand he had just come off a call nearby for a health related issue. Not mentally prepared to run into a defensive lineman sized perp a few minutes away from a strong armed robbery and assault.Excellent post!!Did you ever play competitive football? I did, The lowest lineman wins in head to head situations. Instinctively, I think, he dropped low to reduce himself as a target and could lunge the last 5-6'...I also have a very good friend who re-trains in a high tech police center twice a year.He describes that as the adrenaline surges and you are firing at an approaching target intent on killing you, your field of vision narrows seriously.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf DeVoon Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 The USA strikes me...as a very controlled society... blacks are patiently waiting for an opportunity to demand something more from society...I'm not a scholar on race, and most of the published work is garbage. Anecdotally, based on personal experience with black Americans in prison, sharing their private homes as a house guest, working together legally and otherwise, using my eyes and ears on the street, I'd say that there is a deep-seated, incurable resentment among U.S. blacks of my generation that prosperity cannot fix. Resentment is tolerated and amplified by political, institutional and corporate policies that give the unearned and steadfastly denies their mental handicaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The USA strikes me...as a very controlled society... blacks are patiently waiting for an opportunity to demand something more from society...I'm not a scholar on race, and most of the published work is garbage. Anecdotally, based on personal experience with black Americans in prison, sharing their private homes as a house guest, working together legally and otherwise, using my eyes and ears on the street, I'd say that there is a deep-seated, incurable resentment among U.S. blacks of my generation that prosperity cannot fix. Resentment is tolerated and amplified by political, institutional and corporate policies that give the unearned and steadfastly denies their inferiority.Wolf:I completely agree with the unbolded part because my personal experiences match.Not sure about what you mean by the generation part...I think it goes back further...And the last bolded part I am a little unclear what you said.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It seems the more the evidence coming out points to Michael Brown being a thug the worst the rioting gets. I think there's no chance the officer will be indicted and that's probably the reason. The pattern of wounds appears to me that the officer was shooting very rapidly at the hard charging Michael Brown. He was trying to shoot center mass but pulled to the left hitting the right arm. Put one in the upper right chest area which caused MB to fall forward moving his head down into the next two bullets. I read he fell only three or four feet in front of the officers feet. Both were very jacked up adrenaline wise due to the struggle for the officers gun less than a minute before and the gun going off in the car. I can't see anything else that the cop could have done other than not being there in the first place. I understand he had just come off a call nearby for a health related issue. Not mentally prepared to run into a defensive lineman sized perp a few minutes away from a strong armed robbery and assault.It makes me happy when truth prevails. The autopsy results caught the liars who claimed Brown was shot in the back while running away.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I found this FEE article extremely interesting. ANYTHING PEACEFUL By the Numbers: How Dangerous Is It to Be a Cop? AUGUST 19, 2014 by DANIEL J. BIER Defenders of police militarization such as that on display in Ferguson, Missouri, often claim that it’s necessary to provide military gear to cops, given how dangerous law enforcement has become.Indeed, in the name of the War on Terror and theWar on Drugs, the federal government has provided thousands of pieces of military-grade body armor, mine-resistant armored personnel carriers, assault rifles, grenade launchers, helicopters, and night-vision goggles to local police and sheriffs. Almost every county in America has received equipment from these programs.But has policing really become so dangerous that we need to arm peace officers like an invading army? The answer is no. It's never been safer to be a cop.To start with, few police officers die in the line of duty. Since 1900, only 18,781 police officers have died from any work-related injury. That's an average of 164 a year. In absolute terms, officer fatalities peaked in 1930 (during alcohol prohibition) at 297, spiking again in the 1970s before steadily declining since.If you look at police fatalities adjusted for the U.S. population, the decline is even starker. 2013 was the safest year for American policing since 1875.In 2013, out of 900,000 sworn officers, just 100 died from a job-related injury. That's about 11.1 per 100,000, or a rate of 0.001%.Policing doesn't even make it into the top 10 most dangerous American professions. Logging has a fatality rate 11 times higher, at 127.8 per 100,000. Fishing: 117 per 100,000. Pilot/flight engineer: 53.4 per 100,000. It's twice as dangerous to be a truck driver as a cop—at 22.1 per 100,000.Another point to bear in mind is that not all officer fatalities are homicides. Out of the 100 deaths in 2013, 31 were shot, 11 were struck by a vehicle, 2 were stabbed, and 1 died in a "bomb-related incident." Other causes of death were: aircraft accident (1), automobile accident (28), motorcycle accident (4), falling (6), drowning (2), electrocution (1), and job-related illness (13).Even assuming that half these deaths were homicides, policing would have a murder rate of 5.55 per 100,000, comparable to the average murder rate of U.S. cities: 5.6 per 100,000. It's more dangerous to live in Baltimore (35.01 murders per 100,000 residents) than to be a cop in 2014.This is not to say that police officers do not have a difficult job. They certainly do. They’re required to have daily contact with drunks, the mentally disabled, and criminal suspects. Arrests can often lead to physical confrontation, assault, and sometimes injury. Police are constantly dragged into families' and neighbors' petty squabbles. It can be a stressful and sometimes thankless task.But it just isn't unusually deadly or dangerous—and it’s safer today than ever before. The data do not justify the kinds of armor, weapons, insecurity, and paranoia being displayed by police across the country. Short of an outbreak of land-mine-related crimes in America's heartland, there's no reason to deploy mine-resistant vehicles and .50 caliber machine guns to rural sheriffs departments.Instead of hiding behind gas masks, how about putting cops back on the beat and talking to the community? Instead of M16s and grenade launchers, how about dashboard and body cameras, which have been shown to reduce excessive force and improve officer safety? I bet Mike Brown's family wishes St. Louis County had considered that, rather than being dazzled by shiny new toys from the Pentagon.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf DeVoon Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson, briefing reporters on Monday's night's violence, said "our officers came under heavy gunfire" in one area. The good news: an all out bloodbath was avoided: "Not a single bullet was fired by officers despite coming under heavy attack," he told a news conference. Riot police had confiscated two guns from protesters and what looked like a petrol bomb. Four officers had been injured. [Zero Hedge quoting Reuters] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 On a story-war level, militarizing a local police force is the essence of painting a big-ass VILLAIN BAD GUY image on it, especially for news coverage.This is catastrophic when a public disturbance flares up and normal riot gear would have worked perfectly.The video below shows just how this works: Any normal mainstream person who is not following this story except sporadically will look at Oliver's video and think it is perfectly reasonable. It makes sense, especially as it pokes fun at the bad guy (the cops, as per the image the armed-to-the-teeth cops portray on camera). Also, the local authorities were extremely inept and handling this event from the start, but I am focusing on the storytelling element, i.e., the bad guy archetype.Notice that there is a subtext embedded in Oliver's video. Even though he specifically stated at the start that nobody knows yet what happened, the tone of his piece is that the police bullied an unarmed victim and gunned him down out of spite.Nobody among unaroused viewers and even others notice how this subtext affects them at the time of viewing, but to the extent they think the lampoon is justified (which, by the way, it is on the point of militarized cops), they also assume that the narrative of racism and/or abuse of power is the correct one for Brown's death and that the cop was committing a hate crime or just plain bullying.This assumption doesn't come to the surface in the minds of unaroused viewers as words, just as a general feeling. So when the words are actually spoken by partisans, these viewers are wide open to accepting that message uncritically.That's one way story-wars work.Local cops need less testosterone in outfitting their departments and more reason.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Michael:I heard one, very intelligent suggestion on one (1) of the talk shows.The caller suggested that police should attend Sunday church services in the positive segments of the community.I am assuming in Sunday "goin to meetin" clothes.The point being two fold. First, demonstrating that they are not just a uniform, they are regular folks.Second, see the positive folks on an even level, rather than the gang/thug/crime face of a community.This is an excellent idea and it circumvents these authority/power memes that exist on the streets.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Knife wielding individual in St. Louis County rushes at police with knife ... "new victim" shot dead...around noon today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Here are some of the questions I want answered:1) was the "victim" right, or, left handed?2) how tall is the police officer?3) how many bullets were in his clip [assuming an automatic]?4) how many total rounds were fired?5) did Baden find any swelling on the left or right hand of the "victim?"6) did the Ferguson Police Department take pictures of the police officer's face?7) how the hell do you send single occupant patrol cars into, if Peter's statements were true, a drug/gang dominated zone?There will be more questions...add your own here...A...drip drip - the meme is starting to leak...Apparently, the officer's eye orbit was broken/fractured - pretty good shooting for a damaged face...8) If, as has been reported, the "victim" was living with his grandmother, why would that be?A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backlighting Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-JReverend Al will always be where he can pour kerosine in the latest fire. It is what he does.Ba'al Chatzaf Will Jesse Jack accompany him? Now there's a duet for the ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 My guess is slimy Al will probably stick to the Stapleton section in S.I. & Williamsburg in Brooklyn.Plenty of spots in Manhattan for him and the other roaches. That's the podium & cash cow for him. No guess where he'll bed down in the Bronx or Queens.-JReverend Al will always be where he can pour kerosine in the latest fire. It is what he does.Ba'al Chatzaf Will Jesse Jack accompany him? Now there's a duet for the ages.Jesse's specialty is mostly insulting Jews.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe what you're seeing from afar is a focus on American inner-city black enclaves. I live in a quiet, middle-class-suburban sort of neighborhood which is about 90% black. What I see amongst my neighbors, black and white, is negativity against attempts to turn race issues into pitched battles and general worry about economic issues and the prospects for their children and grandchildren.Ellen Most likely. But what percentage of the African American population lives in that sort of suburban communities? 90% really? This becomes less and less of an issue with more miscegenation, stil I take it you live in the North or around one of the new cities of the Sun Belt, not the traditional South?I don't know what percentage of the African American population lives in that sort of suburban community. The "90%" refers to the breakdown in the specific community I live in. I live in Bloomfield, Connecticut, which adjoins Hartford, Connecticut. There are areas in Hartford where the situation is plenty different from what it is here.Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) I live in a quiet, middle-class-suburban sort of neighborhood which is about 90% black. What I see amongst my neighbors, black and white, is negativity against attempts to turn race issues into pitched battles and general worry about economic issues and the prospects for their children and grandchildren. Most likely. But what percentage of the African American population lives in that sort of suburban communities? 90% really?If you are wondering about Saint Louis, see a comprehensive 'race' map produced at the University of Virginia (link to Wired article overview):The map, created by Dustin Cable at University of Virginia’s Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, is stunningly comprehensive. Drawing on data from the 2010 U.S. Census, it shows one dot per person, color-coded by race. That’s 308,745,538 dots in all–around 7 GB of visual data. It isn’t the first map to show the country’s ethnic distribution, nor is it the first to show every single citizen, but it is the first to do both, making it the most comprehensive map of race in America ever created. [...]White people are shown with blue dots; African-Americans with green; Asians with red; and Latinos with orange, with all other race categories from the Census represented by brown. Since the dots are smaller than pixels at most zoom levels, Cable assigned shades of color based on the multiple dots therein. From a distance, for example, certain neighborhoods will look purple, but zooming-in reveals a finer-grained breakdown of red and blue–or, really, black and white.Here's a link to the map itself, and a screenshot of Saint Louis and environs. I have added an F to mark Ferguson.As for the city of Ferguson itself, this New York Times story does a little digging ...Back in 1876, the city of St. Louis made a fateful decision. Tired of providing services to the outlying areas, the city cordoned itself off, separating from St. Louis County. It’s a decision the city came to regret. Most Rust Belt cities have bled population since the 1960s, but few have been as badly damaged as St. Louis City, which since 1970 has lost almost as much of its population as Detroit.This exodus has left a ring of mostly middle-class suburbs around an urban core plagued by entrenched poverty. White flight from the city mostly ended in the 1980s; since then, blacks have left the inner city for suburbs such as Ferguson in the area of St. Louis County known as North County.Ferguson’s demographics have shifted rapidly: in 1990, it was 74 percent white and 25 percent black; in 2000, 52 percent black and 45 percent white; by 2010, 67 percent black and 29 percent white.If you take a gander at aerial maps (I include a Google snapshot below), you can see that Ferguson is primarily suburban in land use patterns. Edited August 19, 2014 by william.scherk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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