Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: It this context, imitating Sarah Palin with contemptuous sarcasm is a perfect example of something such a bigot against people like Sarah Palin would say. Maybe that's not your intent, but it sure comes off that way. If anybody thinks I am too hard on Carol, my intention is not malicious. I like her. (Seriously. She is good people.) I merely think she is unaware of something right now. Sometimes things only become clear by analogy. Let's suppose I go to a meeting of predominantly black people being hosted by Don Lemon. There are a few whites. But most are there to hear Lemon because they like him. And let's suppose I start saying to all the people there that the problem with Don Lemon is he is one of the worst bigots on TV, he's an outright racist, he's disgusting, he's probably not well developed in the sex organ department, that he says something interesting once in a while, but overall, he's a vile human being. Yada yada yada. But I couch it in in the middle of banter and general good vibes. Then I start lecturing the folks there that I have read studies that black people don't read, mockingly say, "I have a dream..." and so on. And, by the way, I claim over and over that a handsome young white person who used to hate Don Lemon, but who suddenly started defending him didn't do that out of conviction. That this person is without substance and merely trying to do a publicity stunt and seek attention. And I denigrate in nasty tone other issues of the black community, maybe even talk about a watermelon or two and fried chicken. And, of course, I tell the people that I'm not talking about them at the meeting per se. They are different. I'm only talking about black people and, especially, that horrible black thug Don Lemon. Then when one of the people at the meeting starts in on me, I claim victimhood status. How well does anyone think that will go over with the blacks there? Or with the whites there, for that matter? Simply replace Lemon for Trump, black for Trump supporter, and so on, and read that again. Is that clear enough? The thing is, I'm not interested in comeuppance. I'm not interested in flaming. I'm not interested in winning an argument. And I certainly don't want to hurt Carol's feelings. Like I said, I like her. I believe she simply isn't aware, and probably even believes she is fighting for truth and justice. In the bubble she lives in, what she says normally gets applause. But here's the thing with intelligent people. Once the awareness cracks open, even for a little bit, the person can't unsee it. And the crack tends to widen. Once that happens, intelligent people tend to do intelligent things. That's my motivation. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I get it Michael, defend/attack a persons ideas, not the person him/herself. So asking if Carol has issues of tripping over her fat gut is ok? I would assume so because you didn’t say a word about it. (Hint..it’s not ok!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 So if one of the offended at the meeting Michael described tells Michael to get his fat gut out of here, Jules would finally jump up to say that something was wrong, namely, it’s wrong to refer to Michael’s gut. What a fucking moron you are. What a perfect rejection of simple right and wrong, initiation vs response. A perfect turning upside-down of Rand’s moral teachings. What the fuck is wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 The only moronic thing I can be accused of is attempting to get you to actually act rationally and somewhat civilly...you act like a nutter not an objectivist. Your behaviour is more akin to what is expected over at SOLO and it’s kind of embarrassing. You are better than that.(I would hope). Michael has stated he knows she isn’t some pedoworshipping demon but yet there you are day after day..grow the fuck up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 You sound like a 12 year old girl. And you absorbed nothing of Rand’s teachings on initiation vs retaliation. Your thoughts on this topic are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: If anybody thinks I am too hard on Carol, my intention is not malicious. I like her. (Seriously. She is good people.) I merely think she is unaware of something right now. Sometimes things only become clear by analogy. Let's suppose I go to a meeting of predominantly black people being hosted by Don Lemon. There are a few whites. But most are there to hear Lemon because they like him. And let's suppose I start saying to all the people there that the problem with Don Lemon is he is one of the worst bigots on TV, he's an outright racist, he's disgusting, he's probably not well developed in the sex organ department, that he says something interesting once in a while, but overall, he's a vile human being. Yada yada yada. But I couch it in in the middle of banter and general good vibes. Then I start lecturing the folks there that I have read studies that black people don't read, mockingly say, "I have a dream..." and so on. And, by the way, I claim over and over that a handsome young white person who used to hate Don Lemon, but who suddenly started defending him didn't do that out of conviction. That this person is without substance and merely trying to do a publicity stunt and seek attention. And I denigrate in nasty tone other issues of the black community, maybe even talk about a watermelon or two and fried chicken. And, of course, I tell the people that I'm not talking about them at the meeting per se. They are different. I'm only talking about black people and, especially, that horrible black thug Don Lemon. Then when one of the people at the meeting starts in on me, I claim victimhood status. How well does anyone think that will go over with the blacks there? Or with the whites there, for that matter? Simply replace Lemon for Trump, black for Trump supporter, and so on, and read that again. Is that clear enough? The thing is, I'm not interested in comeuppance. I'm not interested in flaming. I'm not interested in winning an argument. And I certainly don't want to hurt Carol's feelings. Like I said, I like her. I believe she simply isn't aware, and probably even believes she is fighting for truth and justice. In the bubble she lives in, what she says normally gets applause. But here's the thing with intelligent people. Once the awareness cracks open, even for a little bit, the person can't unsee it. And the crack tends to widen. Once that happens, intelligent people tend to do intelligent things. That's my motivation. Michael Michael!!!!"Sometimes things only become clear by analogy? Yes, to those who can see only two things at a time, however ill-suited they are to be compared, it is a soothing easy way to advance your narrative You are good people too I know, but please stop comparing incivility and sexism to the kind of argument here, however rough and tough 0r sarcatric, we have been used to. Please and thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Just for you Jon. So what are you saying Jon? That you are like Dagny when she kills the security guard and Carol is the security guard? That kind of initiation vs retaliation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Let's suppose I go to a meeting of predominantly black people being hosted by Don Lemon. There are a few whites. But most are there to hear Lemon because they like him. And let's suppose I start saying to all the people there that the problem with Don Lemon is he is one of the worst bigots on TV, he's an outright racist, he's disgusting, he's probably not well developed in the sex organ department, that he says something interesting once in a while, but overall, he's a vile human being. Yada yada yada. JULES STAYS QUIET AND IN HIS SEAT. But I couch it in in the middle of banter and general good vibes. WHICH IS PLENTY ENOUGH SUBTERFUGE TO CON JULES THE SIMPLETON. Then I start lecturing the folks there that I have read studies that black people don't read, mockingly say, "I have a dream..." and so on. JULES IS LISTENING, WATCHING. STILL SITTING, STILL QUIET. And, by the way, I claim over and over that a handsome young white person who used to hate Don Lemon, but who suddenly started defending him didn't do that out of conviction. That this person is without substance and merely trying to do a publicity stunt and seek attention. JULES IS PICKING HIS NOSE. And I denigrate in nasty tone other issues of the black community, maybe even talk about a watermelon or two and fried chicken. JULES IS SALIVATING. And, of course, I tell the people that I'm not talking about them at the meeting per se. They are different. I'm only talking about black people and, especially, that horrible black thug Don Lemon. Then when one of the people at the meeting starts in on me, I claim victimhood status. NOW JULES JUMPS UP FROM HIS SEAT. “HOW DARE YOU!” HE BELLOWS AT THE PERSON AT THE MEETING WHO STARTS IN ON THE BIGOT. How well does anyone think that will go over with the blacks there? Or with the whites there, for that matter? IT WENT OVER JUST FINE FOR JULES. HE DOES NOT CONDEMN THE BIGOT. HE CONDEMNS THE BIGOT’S ANTAGONIST. Simply replace Lemon for Trump, black for Trump supporter, and so on, and read that again. AND JULES GOES ON AND ON ABOUT HOW THE PERSON WHO STARTS IN ON THE BIGOT IS A BAD BLACK. ETC., ETC. PUNK-ASS FUCKING IDIOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I answer Carol’s vicious, bigoted words with WORDS, and the fucking retard makes shooting-someone-dead analogies. ‘Oh, my, those words are so mean, they’re like killing someone!!’ Just like how a sensitive little girl would react. Or an adult of sub-par moral fortitude, both work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 You can’t even think for yourself Jon. You instead take Michael’s analogy and insert me into it and attempt to insult me further. I’m not a racist and would never be inyour stupid analogy that you completely butchered. As for my Dagny comment, it went right over your head. I was seeking clarification on your premises. Dagny shot the security guard because John Galt’s life was being threatened, and he was her highest value. The security guard represents the oppressive state and so needed to be eliminated as a lesser/no value/sacrifice if she let him live. (At least that’s my take on it). Oh I was making that analogy in a(obviously futile) attempt to see where you are coming from since you accused me of not understanding Rand’s views on retaliation. Pretty sure she didn’t advocate calling people 12 year old girls. You seem pretty quick to dismiss me as being beneath your “vastly superior intellect” by immediately attempting to insult my intelligence without actually saying anything meaningful or original (or constructive for that matter). i mean you couldn’t even answer a direct and honest question about what you do(if anything) for a living! My moral fortitude? Really you are insinuating that I have sub par morals? On what basis other than I called you a prick, which so far does not need to be refuted, it’s pretty evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 3 hours ago, caroljane said: Michael!!!!"Sometimes things only become clear by analogy? Carol, Apparently not. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 6 hours ago, Jules Troy said: I get it Michael, defend/attack a persons ideas, not the person him/herself. Jules, I think you missed something I said a little earlier. On 7/11/2018 at 7:40 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: As to the flame warring, I am mulling over wisdom, not just rule-following. Think about it. What would you do to run a forum? Blind obedience to rules or flexibility based on context and knowing the people involved? (Hint... Blind obedience leads to dark places...) One of the very things I am trying to prompt is visibility. People don't see. They have eyes, but they don't see. For example, Carol just accused someone around here (I don't know who, but it had to be somebody) of sexism. Incivility, I can see, it's kind of obvious on all sides in this phase, but sexism? On OL? Really? 4 hours ago, caroljane said: ... please stop comparing incivility and sexism to the kind of argument here... And she even tells me to behave in a manner where I accept a premise of sexism. But I can't even identify where sexism is at with what I see. I haven't seen anyone oppressing females around here. I have seen females treated the same as males, both for good and for bad. Equality--that's what women want. Right? It goes against my grain as a gentleman when tempers flare and things get personal, which is how I grew up. But OK. Equality it is. Yet the charge of sexism hangs in the air because that's what people do to shut things down when their brains are on an autopilot algorithm that was programmed by others from within a bubble. It's part of "controlling the narrative." But they're the ones who have been controlled. They don't even think about it. They simply open their mouths and let 'er fly--facts no issue--knowing it always worked before when they want to tell someone what to do. But it doesn't work on me. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I saw plenty of leftisms thrown around, no biggy . Sexism I dunno about that...it’s a stretch to say leftist women are less attractive than X is sexist. Is it sexist to say I prefer redheads over blonds? Or is it simply sexist because I mention a preference at all? Never had to give it much thought, been married for the last 12+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: I saw plenty of leftisms thrown around, no biggy . Jules, You're supposed to throw leftisms around. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Jules, You're supposed to throw leftisms around. Michael But ...that’s like 3/4s of Canada, my arms would get too damn tired, I’m not young anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 The United States Department of Justice website... https://www.justice.gov/psc/press-room July 12, 2018 Press Release Independence Man Pleads Guilty to Producing Child Pornography Press Release Slater Man Indicted for Transporting a Minor for Illicit Sex Press Release Kansas Men Charged With Distributing Child Porn July 11, 2018 Press Release Reisterstown Man Pleads Guilty to Federal Charges of Traveling Overseas to Have Sex with a Minor and to Producing Child Pornography with the Intent to Transport it to the United States Press Release Maryland Man Pleads Guilty to Traveling to the Philippines to Engage in Illicit Sexual Conduct and Producing Child Pornography Press Release Sailor Sentenced for Traveling to have Sex with a Minor Press Release Myrtle Beach Man Sentenced for Child Pornography Charges Press Release Clayton Man Sentenced for Receipt of Child Pornography Press Release Cranston Man Indicted, Arraigned for Alleged 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Jon Letendre Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 https://ktla.com/2018/07/11/child-molester-beaten-to-death-by-fellow-inmate-days-after-arriving-at-kern-county-prison-officials/ Sentenced to 55 years then put to rest in just 5 days. The angel who did it will no doubt get out early for his good behavior. Gonna sleep well tonight. G’night, All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 That fortunately is the fate of many rapists/child rapists when they go to prison. Not enough though. And no, the attacker will most likely be charged with murder and have that added to his sentence. Sometimes these things get a blind eye turned to and the person is just charged with assault, but not often. Probably why MORE of them are not killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 On the issue of flame wars, my humble advice: They happen, get over it. Don't try to prevent or control them. I've been participating in discussion forums since the late nineties, and once in a while, people need to vent and bloody each other up a bit. Get it out of their systems. Then others start to complain, and demand rules because the flaming is allegedly driving people away and destroying the forum. Um, usually, the opposite is true. Flames attract attention, briefly, and then they are ignored by everyone not involved, where tight rules, on the hand, and their technical, petty enforcement, interrupt and shut down open discussion. The rules and their precisely equal enforcement take over and become the focus of every thread. The most interesting people get punished and moderated and banned, and the forum dies. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jonathan said: On the issue of flame wars, my humble advice: They happen, get over it. Don't try to prevent or control them. I've been participating in discussion forums since the late nineties, and once in a while, people need to vent and bloody each other up a bit. Get it out of their systems. Then others start to complain, and demand rules because the flaming is allegedly driving people away and destroying the forum. Um, usually, the opposite is true. Flames attract attention, briefly, and then they are ignored by everyone not involved, where tight rules, on the hand, and their technical, petty enforcement, interrupt and shut down open discussion. The rules and their precisely equal enforcement take over and become the focus of every thread. The most interesting people get punished and moderated and banned, and the forum dies. J Jonathan, You're letting the cat out of the bag. You left out one thing, though. During the process, really long contentious threads grow about what and how to interpret the rules and what and how people need to behave. Everybody has an opinion about the rules and everybody has a finger they like to point. These generally go on for a a couple of weeks, then die out. I've not only seen this in O-Land, I've seen it at black hat sites, writing forums, internet marketing sites, places of the most varied nature, all over social media, etc. It happens all the time. In fact, it happens so much, I am pretty sure it reflects a human universal. Wherever there are people, there are people wanting to control people. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: It happens all the time. In fact, it happens so much, I am pretty sure it reflects a human universal. Wherever there are people, there are people wanting to control people. Yeah, it's the human urge second only to sex, and in some people, second to nothing. It's more important than money and well-being. People will make their own lives and those of everyone else much worse in order to be allowed to control and punish other people. They will invent a morality in which controlling others is justified and virtuous. It's the history of the vast majority of the human race. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 So...game on? Weeee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I think Mueller is trying to wind down. Rosenstein just announced the indictment of 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, etc. etc. etc. And he specifically mentioned the GNU. I wonder how on earth the DOJ knew this, seeing that the DNC refused to hand over its servers. Anyway, they know no Russians are going to show up, so this is just CYA stuff and fake news food. Rosenstein was very careful to stipulate that the indictment did not implicate any American nor claim that any vote was altered. On a side note, I saw something odd in Rosenstein's demeanor. This is probably because I am attuned to this kind of stuff due to my persuasion studies. There were times during the presser he sounded just like former President Obama. Same stance. Same choice of language expressions and same language construction. Same tone of voice. It was eerie. This was during the part when he was sanctimoniously talking about how "we" as Americans are united in... yada yada yada... that we mustn't... yada yada yada... and that the FBI follows the rules and doesn't try cases through the press. Of course, this was right at the moment he was presenting to the press the indictments of Russian hacking knowing full well the Russians will not show up in a US court. This is all over Drudge right now, but it's nothing but a flash in the pan. Anyway, Mueller needs to present something for spending a cool $20 million or however many millions those Clinton lawyers on his staff put into their pockets so far. These 12 indictments mentioning the Russian government look good for "controlling the narrative" without being anything substantive. Hell, since nobody is going to show up in court, the Mueller folks don't even need to prove anything. This is perfect for the swamp way of doing things... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: So...game on? Weeee! You be you, we be we. Don't wanna flame? Then don't. Sooth and mend instead. Wanna flame? Dump some gas on the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 16 hours ago, caroljane said: 17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Sometimes things only become clear by analogy. Let's suppose [...] Michael!!!!"Sometimes things only become clear by analogy? Argument by analogy is fraught, he said quietly, into the void of understanding. I'd like to analogize the slightly odd situation of the US President giving an interview with the UK's Sun tabloid (a possession of Murdoch Inc) ... and then apparently claiming that the interview transcript is a FAKE. What kind of situation or Just-So story might make a good framework for understanding the apparent discrepancies? Analogies about discrepancies or conflicting information coming from the same source ... ? So, the Sun: -- and then he denies that he said what the Sun said he said. How does one figure out a useful and fully-apt analogy for this apparent tergiversation? Not a clue. 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Melissa McEwan / Shakesville: Trump Blasts Theresa May on His Wrecking Ball Tour Through Europe Ed Krassenstein / Hill Reporter: Audio Recording Proves Trump is Lying about The Sun Interview Tapes Peterdeadline / Deadline: Donald Trump Slams Theresa May's Brexit Strategy As He Lands In The UK Emma Ross-Thomas / BloombergQuint: Brexit Bulletin: Trump Strikes Again Wall Street Journal: Trump Says May's Brexit Plan Could ‘Kill’ Chances for U.S.-U.K. Trade Deal Bloomberg: May Unveils U.K. Soft Brexit Blueprint, But Banks Cut Loose Joseph Curl / Daily Wire: Trump Creates Waves In U.K. With Newspaper Interview He Now Calls ‘Fake News’ RAPPLER: Trump blasts May's Brexit strategy on UK visit Ted Belman / israpundit.org: Trump: Brexit plan ‘will probably kill’ US trade deal The Last Refuge / NewsWars: President Trump Tells U.K. Media a Failed Economic Brexit Likely Means No U.S. Trade Deal Possible T.LaDuke / RedState: Trump Tells Theresa May, No Soft Exit on Brexit David Frum / The Atlantic: Trump's Betrayal of Britain BBC: Donald Trump: US president meets Theresa May at Blenheim Palace Scott Morefield / The Daily Caller: President Trump Laments Loss of European Culture, Says Immigration Has ‘Changed The Fabric Of Europe’ Joe Jervis / Joe.My.God.: Glorious Leader Whines About Britain's Baby Blimp Shane Croucher / Newsweek: IS DONALD TRUMP POPULAR IN BRITAIN? HERE'S WHAT THE POLLING SAYS The Caldron Pool: President Trump warns, mass immigration is costing Europe it's culture: ‘very, very sad’ … GOV.UK: The future relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union Media Matters for America: Fox host: Trump is “allowed to” snub British Prime Minister Theresa May and “he's not afraid of the backlash” Daniel Larison / The American Conservative: Trump's Obnoxious Meddling in Britain Breck Dumas / TheBlaze: President Trump unleashes on British leader - and it's really bad Sadiq Khan / London Evening Standard: Londoners have a right to speak out against Donald Trump's visit, writes Sadiq Khan » All Related Discussion RELATED: Robert Kagan / Washington Post: Things will not be okay — Human beings often choose self-delusion over painful reality, and so in the days and weeks to come, we will hear reassurances that the NATO alliance is in good shape. After all, there have been spats in the past — over the Suez crisis in 1956, Vietnam in the 1960s and '70s … Discussion: New York Magazine, Defense One, Daily Kos, Roll Call, TheStreet, TheBlaze and 71 Republic Louis Nelson / Politico: Trump tries to defuse bomb he threw at U.K.'s Theresa May – Discussion: Jordyn Phelps / ABC News: First lady Melania Trump meets with British schoolchildren, veterans in London Jack Blanchard / Politico: Trump blows up Theresa May's party in his honor Jeremy Diamond / CNN: Trump denies he criticized British prime minister after criticizing her – Discussion: Adrienne Mahsa Varkiani / ThinkProgress: Here are some of the best photos from the anti-Trump protests in London Eleanor Mueller / Politico: Trump says he wants May as a friend, not an enemy Ceylan Yeginsu / New York Times: London's ‘Trump Baby’ Balloon Flies as Protests Take Off in U.K. Tom Newton Dunn / The Sun: PRES SLAMS SADIQ Donald Trump says London Mayor Sadiq Khan ‘has done a terrible job on terror’ CBS Miami: The Trumps Meet Queen Elizabeth II For The First Time, Amid Protests David Rutz / Washington Free Beacon: MSNBC Correspondent Praises Young Trump Protester in London: ‘Very Good’ John T. 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