Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, william.scherk said: Do you include yourself in "people"? No, William. I'm a Martian. Definitely inferior to humans llke you who think. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, merjet said: What specific "argument-by-analogy as offered above" by whom? Merlin, William got bugged because I compared the collectivist mob mentality of progressives and elitists to the KKK lynching a black man or fanatical Islamists throwing a homosexual off the roof of a building.. That kind of analogy stings. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Jonathan said: Heh. No, you be you, each of the rest of us will also be ourselves. As for owl pics, I love the one that I bought, and there was a specific other one that I had my eye on. But I'm not only all 'bout dem owls. It's more about the overall effect, not the specific subject matter. I'm no Leonard Peikoff who won't accept or listen to a complimentary CD from a professional musician and likeminded soul because I like or don't like certain instruments. I hope you're still enjoying your talents. J It is an ever enjoyable pastime! I have not been able to do much lately, 80+ hour weeks put a dent in my fun factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Merlin, William got bugged because I compared the collectivist mob mentality of progressives and elitists to the KKK lynching a black man or fanatical Islamists throwing a homosexual off the roof of a building.. That kind of analogy stings. Michael You usually fix typos - penultimate letter should have been a "k", appropriately enough. Analogy is the last-ditch and weakest form of argument, and it seems to be getting feebler than it used to be, probably through overwork. Such analogies are like would-be parables set in a moral relativist no-man's-land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, caroljane said: You usually fix typos - penultimate letter should have been a "k", appropriately enough. Carol, LOL... Cute. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, caroljane said: Analogy is the last-ditch and weakest form of argument, and it seems to be getting feebler than it used to be, probably through overwork. Such analogies are like would-be parables set in a moral relativist no-man's-land. Carol, The no-man's-land is outside the bubble. Scary... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, LOL... Cute. Michael Thanks for that, I laugh genuinely at some of your cute remarks even when I don't agree with them, and I genuinely am grateful that you don't find me a one-woman olfactory epidemic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, caroljane said: Thanks for that, I laugh genuinely at some of your cute remarks even when I don't agree with them... Aaaaaannnnd... here's my reaction. (I want to embed it without the tweet, but I haven't yet figured out how to extract the gif.) This guy has to be the creepiest person in America. OMG pic.twitter.com/gLWvwCiXIJ— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) July 13, 2018 Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Aaaaaannnnd... here's my reaction. btw - That's to induce cognitive dissonance. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 MSK, Is Donald Trump an elitist? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, merjet said: MSK, Is Donald Trump an elitist? If not, why not? Hmmmmmmmm.......... 24 minutes ago, merjet said: MSK, Is Donald Trump an elitist? If not, why not? President Trump is the antithesis of an elitist ! I thought yesterday was March 31st for a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Marc said: President Trump is the antithesis of an elitist ! I note the conspicuous absence of any sort of reason for this naked assertion! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Argument by assertion? Nope, just a plain old assertion. 2 hours ago, merjet said: 3 hours ago, Marc said: President Trump is the antithesis of an elitist ! I note the conspicuous absence of any sort of reason for this naked assertion! The President, by his own words, was educated at the best schools, has the best words, the best comprehension of events, the best living spaces, the best clothes, the best lawyers, the best employees, the best mind, all the trappings of life "at the top." That is the antithesis of elite. Of course, just because you incorporate an elite mind, an elite understanding, an elite-class persuasive appeal, and an Ur-elite self-record of being right about everything that matters ... and just because somebody sees an Emperor's crown your head, as the apex man, the elite hotelier and a person who builds towers that do not fall down(!), none of this suggests a man sees himself as elite. And I, of course, am Marie of Roumania. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 hours ago, merjet said: Is Donald Trump an elitist? If not, why not? Merlin, Elitism is a collectivist mindset. A form of bigotry. An elitist believes he is innately superior to the bulk of humanity and belongs to an informal club--a kind of superior species--where the rest of humanity is like livestock in relation. He may say the contrary, but deep down inside, this is his promise to himself and his deepest conviction (even when this causes him anxiety). As an example, a southern white slave owner from centuries past were elitists in the way they thought about blacks. They literally thought blacks were an inferior form of subhuman. Modern elitists believe something similar about most working class Americans who strive for self-reliance. And they are irritated with the self-reliance part. (Who the hell do these people think they are? And so on...) President Trump is an individualist. He believes every individual can strive for greatness and deserves all the fruits of his endeavor. President Trump's critics always try to characterize his excellence at leadership and wealth with elitism and his love of America as a collectivism of sorts. These things are fundamentally different. Wealth is not character. If you don't know what leadership means, I can suggest a slew of books from the business and self-help literature. And if you think loving America is collectivist, Ayn Rand herself was such a collectivist. President Trump loves America in the same manner Ayn Rand loved America. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Oops. Trump is not an "elitist." By his own words, he and his supporters are the super elite (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, merjet said: Oops. Trump is not an "elitist." By his own words, he and his supporters are the super elite (link). Merlin, In trying to set up your gotcha, you didn't read a word I said, did you? That's OK, though. If you ever want to think about it, there is a difference between an identification and a taunt. President Trump was taunting the elitists while making his base feel good in his comment about "super-elites." It's kinda like a cheerleader does in a sports game or a pro wrestler trash talking his opponent. But if you don't want to think about it and hold firm to a gotcha, I don't mind. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Oddly enough, many elitists think that President Trump belongs to the livestock species. It galls them to no end that he is President and one of their kind is not. I get tickled by this until I start feeling sorry for them. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Another qualification. Most, if not all, globalists are elitists and vice-versa when they think about politics. Globalism does not mean free trade between nations with more or less equal tariffs and subsidies. Globalism means insider crony corporatism between nations, ultimately leading to a one world government of some sort. Organizations like the WTO (World Trade Organization), which are shot through and through with globalist elitists, are the seeds. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Friends, foes, friends, competitors, friends, foes, adversaries ... A wag friend of mine said she had a dream about Trump confiding in her. The gist was "I want to rule the world. I want to get the USA together with my good friend Xi and my favourite Russian, Putin, and I think we should rule the world." From Faye and the Deep: "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 For the record, the elites of the European Union are elitists and globalists of the sort I talk about above. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: Friends, foes, friends, competitors, friends, foes, adversaries ... A wag friend of mine said she had a dream about Trump confiding in her. The gist was "I want to rule the world. I want to get the USA together with my good friend Xi and my favourite Russian, Putin, and I think we should rule the world." Oh noes! If your friend had a dream, then that must be what's going to happen! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: For the record, the elites of the European Union are elitists and globalists of the sort I talk about above. Michael No. When playing gotcha, as we see here, the idea is to pretend not to understand what people mean when using a term, and to then substitute one's own alternate definition/meaning, and then to claim that someone is being hypocritical by that alternate definition/meaning. "Trump's against the elites? Well, by the definition that I just chose, and not by the same one that Trump is using, he is an elite! Hahahaha! Gotcha!" Ineffective semantic game. Childish tactic. C'mon. You guys know better than this. Well, maybe not Merlin. He's shown himself to be rather lacking in the brain department lately. But, Billy? He's got a case of TDS, but hasn't shown any signs of Merlin-type retardation. He can do better. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 The left's TDS has them eating their own: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-senate-feinstein-de-leon-endorsement-20180714-story.html J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/marklutchman Dear Antifa & radical liberals who wish to start civil war, There are 21.8 million Armed Forces Veterans in the U.S. Over 14 million of them can walk into combat TOMORROW. Let THAT sink in, you basement dwelling bastards. 6:07 PM · Jul 15, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 In today's world, if you state that someone else used a certain word, and you actually say that word while doing so, you need to be fired or asked to resign: https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahkirsch/2018/07/11/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-allegedly-used-n-word-on-conference-call/#3f8755124cfc https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/East-Bay-Express-publisher-resigns-after-13075990.php?t=5c5350a3f0 Not enough people are being punished. The culture demands more blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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