BaalChatzaf Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 This is in response to a discussion else where on the Civil War, the War against Southron Rebellion and Treason. Please read this for the full text of the letter written to the Mayor of Atlanta by William T. Shermn:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/she...rn-atlanta.htmlBa'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 This is in response to a discussion else where on the Civil War, the War against Southron Rebellion and Treason. Please read this for the full text of the letter written to the Mayor of Atlanta by William T. Shermn:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/she...rn-atlanta.htmlThe SOB was a hell of a writer. Essentially he said the knife was falling, stop standing under it.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Victor Davis Hanson has a book about three great generals one of whom was Sherman. One of the other two was George Patton. Another was a Greek who fought the Spartans. The Siege of Atlanta and the March to the Sea shorten the Civil War. One of the things Sherman found was that all the Southerns all seemed to think now the War was a bad idea.The book also makes the point that Patton shorten the Second World War and had Patton been provided with enough gasoline might have shorten it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Victor Davis Hanson has a book about three great generals one of whom was Sherman. One of the other two was George Patton. Another was a Greek who fought the Spartans.The Spartan commander was King Leonidas.Of Sherman.s march through South Carolina (which made his march through Georgia seem like a Sunday School picnic by comparison), Confederate General Joseph Johnson said of Sherman's army: Not since the time of Julius Ceasar has there been such an Army. Wm. T. Sherman was the American general who discovered, nay he invented, total war. He discovered that the key to putting an end to the war was to make life for the civilians as miserable as possible.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Baal; On your last post we are in agreement.Thanks for the name of the Spartan general.I have to mention my favorite comment about South Carolina before the Civil War. That South Carolina was too small to be a county and too big to be an insane asylum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 This is in response to a discussion else where on the Civil War, the War against Southron Rebellion and Treason. Please read this for the full text of the letter written to the Mayor of Atlanta by William T. Shermn:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/she...rn-atlanta.htmlThe SOB was a hell of a writer. Essentially he said the knife was falling, stop standing under it.--BrantBa'al,The link provided is no longer available. Do you have an alternate link?~ Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 This is in response to a discussion else where on the Civil War, the War against Southron Rebellion and Treason. Please read this for the full text of the letter written to the Mayor of Atlanta by William T. Shermn:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/she...rn-atlanta.htmlThe SOB was a hell of a writer. Essentially he said the knife was falling, stop standing under it.--BrantBa'al,The link provided is no longer available. Do you have an alternate link?~ ShaneTry http://www.sagehistory.net/civilwar/docs/ShermanAtl.htmBa'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Newton Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 This is in response to a discussion else where on the Civil War, the War against Southron Rebellion and Treason. Please read this for the full text of the letter written to the Mayor of Atlanta by William T. Shermn:http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/she...rn-atlanta.htmlThe SOB was a hell of a writer. Essentially he said the knife was falling, stop standing under it.--BrantBa'al,The link provided is no longer available. Do you have an alternate link?~ ShaneTry http://www.sagehistory.net/civilwar/docs/ShermanAtl.htmBa'al ChatzafI happen to have an ancestor who fought with Sherman during his march through Georgia. His name was Pliny Trumbo. We have his civil war diary. The diary shows a lot of misery, but no political or military thought of significance. = Mindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ba'al - That was a great letter. Appreciate you sharing it with us.Mindy - It's amazing that you have a Civil War journal. To see something handwritten that long ago would bring me chills. Especially knowing it was from family!~ Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Here is a summary of Sherman's attitude, which applied to everyone he disagree with:"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier. We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government. During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Newton Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ba'al - That was a great letter. Appreciate you sharing it with us.Mindy - It's amazing that you have a Civil War journal. To see something handwritten that long ago would bring me chills. Especially knowing it was from family!~ ShaneCoincidentally, he mentions being in a city very near where I grew up, a place we visited often!= Mindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Here is a summary of Sherman's attitude, which applied to everyone he disagree with:"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier. We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government. During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."Ah. A war criminal! Is that a baby? Throw it up and catch it on your knife! There was a terrible genocide against American Indians, absolutely. Disease, starvation and bullets. Disease did the worst damage, but mostly it wasn't part of the genocide which essentially consisted of the God-given right of the white man to kill a red man.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Here is a summary of Sherman's attitude, which applied to everyone he disagree with:"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier. We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government. During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."Union General Phillip Sheridan went one better: The only good Indian is a dead Indian.But it was Andrew Jackson, the stone killer, who really implemented the program with the march of the Cherokee to Oklahoma Territory. Half the Cherokee nation perished on that march (The Trail of Tears), the American version of the Bataan Death March. What goes around comes around. Thomas Jefferson feared divine retribution for the Sin of Slavery. He was right. God in his Wrath gave us a 2000 mile border with Mexico and gave us Puerto Rico as a booby prize. Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyau Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 .Modern technology enables illumination of the scene at the Gettysburg Address on 19 November 1863.Finding the Real Lincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Here is a summary of Sherman's attitude, which applied to everyone he disagree with:"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier. We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government. During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."Ah. A war criminal! Is that a baby? Throw it up and catch it on your knife! There was a terrible genocide against American Indians, absolutely. Disease, starvation and bullets. Disease did the worst damage, but mostly it wasn't part of the genocide which essentially consisted of the God-given right of the white man to kill a red man.--BrantThe 19th century was the time of American genocide. We no longer do that. You will notice we were at our greatest when we were at our most ferocious. Is there a lesson in there for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDS Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 .Modern technology enables illumination of the scene at the Gettysburg Address on 19 November 1863.Finding the Real LincolnThanks for posting this Stephen. Fascinating photos. Interesting to see AL's receding hairline too, which of course is not something one sees in the portraits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Here is a summary of Sherman's attitude, which applied to everyone he disagree with:"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier. We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government. During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."Union General Phillip Sheridan went one better: The only good Indian is a dead Indian.But it was Andrew Jackson, the stone killer, who really implemented the program with the march of the Cherokee to Oklahoma Territory. Half the Cherokee nation perished on that march (The Trail of Tears), the American version of the Bataan Death March. What goes around comes around. Thomas Jefferson feared divine retribution for the Sin of Slavery. He was right. God in his Wrath gave us a 2000 mile border with Mexico and gave us Puerto Rico as a booby prize.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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