algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 What makes this a "sad and shocking day" for Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I would like actual proof that these Youtube videos come from the alleged shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 What makes this a "sad and shocking day" for Americans?Chris:Out of curiosity, is that a serious question?Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippi Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Doesn't help when Palin does stupid things like this:http://www.alan.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sighs-on-target-map-says-tiShayneThat is really tacky-god I can't stand that woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 One naturally starts speculating about possible motive, but I don't have enough information to make the wheels go round. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Doesn't help when Palin does stupid things like this:http://www.alan.com/...get-map-says-tiShayneThat is really tacky-god I can't stand that woman!Folks:Interesting. Gifford's district is one that is targeted.The posting is from March 24, 2010. Sarah is very straight forward. This is well within the bounds of political speech. Moreover, it was at the height of the marxist takeover of America via the O'biwan to take you to the poor house fascist medical bill."Targeting" is a standard political term. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703562404575067372476731404.htmlDemocrats Target Stimulus Critics Who Sought FundsSome Republicans Who Slammed $787 Billion Program Also Sought Funds for Projects in Their Districts, Letters Show Shayne, you, as I am, are admirers of Tom Paine. Was he any less extreme in his messenging than Palin?You know he was much more extreme.Adam Edited January 8, 2011 by Selene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 What makes this a "sad and shocking day" for Americans?Chris:Out of curiosity, is that a serious question?AdamBetcha it is.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 What makes this a "sad and shocking day" for Americans?Are you kidding me?If not, um, six people died at an open political meeting. Six people shot to death, including a child, and 12 wounded. Shock and sorrow is somehow inappropriate, Chris?What do you feel, if not shock and sorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippi Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.What??? Your comments in this thread are unbelievably cruel and heartless-what is the matter with you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This is one of the times Obama should get his mug on tv-if he doesn't (and I have a feeling he wont) he is truly a pitiful sack of skin.Pippi, he did get his mug on tv, and to an outside observer this was one of No-drama Obama's best, most restrained hours. All of the emotion and politics are implicit. Think if Glenn Beck were commenting, on the shooting of say Palin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Shayne, you, as I am, are admirers of Tom Paine. Was he any less extreme in his messenging than Palin?You know he was much more extreme.AdamYes I admire Paine. If you think he did something comparably stupid to what Palin did you'll have to specify and example, because I don't know of anything. Frankly I think it's idiotic to compare Paine to Palin, but give it your best shot.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaer.ts Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.What??? Your comments in this thread are unbelievably cruel and heartless-what is the matter with you ?Yes, Chris, of all today's actions, yours are the most distressing.LOL! At least in your outrage you've finally learned to capitalize, Pippi, if not to format your punctuation properly.Next we'll have a thread on how this is all Phil's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippi Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.What??? Your comments in this thread are unbelievably cruel and heartless-what is the matter with you ?Yes, Chris, of all today's actions, yours are the most distressing.LOL! At least in your outrage you've finally learned to capitalize, Pippi, if not to format your punctuation properly.Next we'll have a thread on how this is all Phil's fault.I am not saying his actions were the most distressing TODAY, that would be ridiculous-they are distressing though.p.s. thanks for the unsolicited critique of my posting style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.Fair enough. I will revise my "Sad and shocking day for Americans," in light of your blasé reaction.It is a sad and shocking day for many Americans. Some Americans, typified by Chris Baker, are actually not shocked, though they may be saddened. Tell us, Chris, so that we do not misunderstand your reaction. Are you saddened by the deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Campbell Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 What little is publicly known about the alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, indicates that he is deeply disturbed.Meanwhile, as the media declaim in their shared echo chamber and various forms of panicked speculation make their rounds,Jonah Goldberg's old piece on Cho Seung-hui, the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, seems relevant:http://www.nationalr.../jonah-goldbergWhat we do know is that the shooter blew away a Federal judge and put a bullet through a Congresswoman's head—in one side and out the other.In the process he killed several other people and wounded a bunch more, because they happened to be within range.Shock and sorrow are definitely appropriate.Robert Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Shayne, you, as I am, are admirers of Tom Paine. Was he any less extreme in his messenging than Palin?You know he was much more extreme.AdamYes I admire Paine. If you think he did something comparably stupid to what Palin did you'll have to specify and example, because I don't know of anything. Frankly I think it's idiotic to compare Paine to Palin, but give it your best shot.ShayneShayne:Your labeling Palin's "targeting" SarahPac ad as "stupid" does not prove the case, my friend. The intention of the ad was to generate money. It worked quite well.Therefore, I have no intention to compare Paine to Palin, or vice versa. This is the political arena where we get our hands dirty and slug it out. Interesting choice of words "best shot," in light of the events today, don't you think?Adam Edited January 8, 2011 by Selene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Campbell Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.Chris,You mean assassinations are business as usual?Robert Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Shayne:Your labeling Palin's "targeting" SarahPac ad as "stupid" does not prove the case, my friend. The intention of the ad was to generate money. It worked quite well.Therefore, I have no intention to compare Paine to Palin, or vice versa. I knew you wouldn't be able to, and I could have guessed you'd weasel out in this manner.Interesting choice of words "best shot," in light of the events today, don't you think?AdamYou are seriously deranged. Get help.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Thank you Shayne.Be safe.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Considering the current state of the country, I really don't find this shocking at all. It just seems like "business as usual" for this country.Fair enough. I will revise my "Sad and shocking day for Americans," in light of your blasé reaction.It is a sad and shocking day for many Americans. Some Americans, typified by Chris Baker, are actually not shocked, though they may be saddened. Tell us, Chris, so that we do not misunderstand your reaction. Are you saddened by the deaths?Am I saddened by the death of a child? Yes.Am I saddened by the death of a judge? Definitely not.Am I saddened by the shooting of a politician? Definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 http://www.nationalr.../jonah-goldbergThis is quite shocking. I never imagined that Jonah Goldberg could write such an intelligent article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thank you Shayne.Be safe.AdamFree speech is one thing. Veiled physical threats are another. I won't ask you to stop threatening me because at least people will know who to interrogate if something happens to me.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Thank you Shayne.Be safe.AdamFree speech is one thing. Veiled physical threats are another. I won't ask you to stop threatening me because at least people will know who to interrogate if something happens to me.ShayneShayne:I am one of the most non-violent people you will ever converse with."Be safe" is a phrase that I use all the time. So, have a safe day Shayne.Adam Edited January 9, 2011 by Selene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Am I saddened by the death of a child? Yes.Am I saddened by the death of a judge? Definitely not.Am I saddened by the shooting of a politician? Definitely not.Fair enough. The assassinated Judge was a GHW Bush appointee, best-known for ruling against gun control laws.Extrapolating from your neutral opinion on shooting this particular judge, I tentatively assume that you would be non-sad if other Republican judges who rule against gun control were shot dead by psychotic young people outside grocery stores.I do hope that covers your emotional range and your sturdy grip on the issues. Edited January 9, 2011 by william.scherk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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